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Microsoft concerned that Longhorn's look and feel will be copied if revealed too soon | |
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| Time: 14:12 EST/19:12 GMT | News Source: Mac Daily News | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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After months of speculation, Microsoft plans to give developers their first hard look at the next version of Windows in October," reports Ina Fried for CNET News.com. "The Redmond, Wash., company expects to release a 'developers preview' of the new operating system, code-named Longhorn, at its professional developers conference in Los Angeles." | ||
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| #1 By 61 (24.92.223.112) at 8/25/2003 2:35:48 PM |
| Pretty colors and cool animations != good UI |
| #2 By 3 (81.96.65.5) at 8/25/2003 3:19:30 PM |
| If you mean Apple have been way ahead in UI looks then I'll agree with you. I don't know why MS would hide this from people anyway, its not like that haven't been taking from everything else for years. |
| #3 By 9264 (208.159.121.78) at 8/25/2003 3:21:43 PM |
| I'm guessing they don't want people making visual styles for XP that look like it, which they know is going to happen the second they reveal the new look. |
| #4 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 8/25/2003 3:27:13 PM |
| Unless they have something else up their sleeve? |
| #5 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 8/25/2003 4:59:40 PM |
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JWM - Fascinating. Perhaps you should define what you mean by UI?
I have to agree with Microsoft on this, in the past both Apple and Linux have copied numerous aspects of Microsoft's UI innovations and then claimed them for their own. This has caused perception problems, as evidenced by some of the uneducated responses here. |
| #6 By 2459 (69.22.92.164) at 8/25/2003 5:23:44 PM |
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#9 -- If a UI isn't terribly efficient, it won't be enjoyable to use.
Some may pick the Mac based just on looks, but their experience using the computer may not be more enjoyable than using XP once the novelty of the looks wears off and they're just trying to get something done quickly. |
| #7 By 3 (81.96.65.5) at 8/25/2003 6:00:20 PM |
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To me a good UI is something that is exactly what it is aiming to do, make the interface easy to use, for me personally I prefer the Mac, but Windows has some better parts to it...my view is yes visually a Mac is far better right now (thanks to Quartz mostly), far smoother scrolling, better scalable Windows, a cool dock. As for complaining the Dock is what people are drawn to, well maybe so - and it is excellent looking - but to me personally it is the Icon's that draw me into the look of OS X, something Windows won't get until Longhorn comes out, a full 5 years after OS X.
So yes OS X does look far better, in fact, put Windows and OS X next to each other and visually Windows looks far older, so the argument over which looks better shouldn't come into it - but discussing what makes a good UI should, as I understand why people prefer either or both. JWM has the best point I've read so far in that it depends what you want to use your OS for - I use it for the visual editing, Web Design and now video editing, for this a Mac is much better currently. I hope they improve the spreadsheet, document and other work on the Mac's more in the future, because I would love to use just my Mac (nothing against Windows at all as I still use it), but in saying that, I still prefer Word on OS X than I do Word XP (til I get Office 2003 next month) as I seem to find it easier to use. |
| #8 By 3 (81.96.65.5) at 8/25/2003 6:08:45 PM |
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#12 - I did wonder this when I first got my Mac, thankfully that hasn't been the case and I can use one or the other just as well, some parts i find easier to do with Windows, some with the Mac. Personally I always find the "which is best" arguement always brings out the narrowminded side of people when it comes to Mac and Windows.
You have to remember for some types of work a Mac is better, for others (the majority side) Windows is, its the way it will be for a long time to come, I have no problem with what OS anyone uses if they are happy with it. I like both my Windows PC and my Mac, I just find i do more work on my Mac, but thats simply due to the fact that the work i do is better suited to it. |
| #9 By 10022 (24.169.194.86) at 8/25/2003 7:33:56 PM |
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could ms please just put in the ability to move items in the task bar. please for the love of god i'm begging you!!! and force all windows to be user re-sizable, remeber the postions and try to get rid of the damn scroll bars in 95% of all windows!
other than that, just leave it alone! well maybe make it so when the task bar is placed on the left side of the screen the Start button stay on the BOTTOM!!!! PLEASE!!!! But other than that, just leave it alone. and if you could NOT make it like Aqua that would be the best thing you could do! and if there are any registry hacks to do any of this let me know (it will be worth making an ass out of myself to get the answer) |
| #10 By 2459 (69.22.92.164) at 8/25/2003 9:00:57 PM |
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Apple has one advantage, consistency across apps. If its not consistent and within the design guidelines, ur app will be a flop.
Just my opinion, but Apple threw out consistency when they started mixing in brushed metal. It clashes with the default UI more than any decent skinnable app I've see on Windows. Plus, brushed metal apps tend to have a lot of unusable space around them. I guess they couldn't resist what OS X was initially going to look like. This post was edited by n4cer on Monday, August 25, 2003 at 21:03. |
| #11 By 12461 (64.91.126.109) at 8/25/2003 10:13:37 PM |
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What I would like is for Microsoft to just stop worrying about how the UI looks and what people can steal from it to put in winstyles or windowblinds and start fixing and securing the OS. Longhorn, Windows XP, 2000... doesn't matter. Fix the security... fix the runtime errors.
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| #12 By 2459 (69.22.92.164) at 8/25/2003 10:56:30 PM |
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They can do both (different programming teams for different fields of expertise).
The new managed APIs will eliminate buffer overrun exploits in the majority of application code. This reduces the possible vulnerable areas to the kernel, runtime, device drivers, and other areas where C++ will still be used. The UI is even managed, so it too will help strengthen the security of the OS. Code access security will help control what code from untrusted places such as the internet can do. Rights Management and NGSCB will help to control the flow of documents, credit card info, and other sensitive information, as well as better protect the OS' and applications' execution space and the storage area of critical files. Security is likely a bigger effort than the UI, especially considering that many of the initiatives aren't exclusive to Longhorn, and as it becomes clearer that some people won't/don't know how to secure their systems. |
| #13 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 8/26/2003 10:50:18 AM |
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The concept of user accounts DOES NOT BELONG on the DESKTOP, uptimes dont belong on the desktop, why use server technology on the desktop? Desktop users run as root or admin, face it, convienence.
Thank goodness they don't here. Having user accounts allows you to provide a desktop that does only what you need it to do. Preventing users from installing any program they bring in from home saves a lot in wasted time, both for IT and for the user and their messed up desktop. |
| #14 By 2459 (69.22.92.164) at 8/27/2003 12:27:03 AM |
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Managed runtimes may have buffer overruns in them also :D
I agree. :-) This reduces the possible vulnerable areas to the kernel, runtime, device drivers, and other areas where C++ will still be used. This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 at 00:27. |
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