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| Time: 10:49 EST/15:49 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Thanks Sebastien. Vertigo Software Inc. has released Quake II .NET, a version of id Software's popular Quake II game ported to the Microsoft .NET common language runtime (CLR) using Microsoft Visual C++ .NET 2003. Download Quake II .NET from Vertigo Software, Inc., including full source code and project files for Visual C++ .NET 2003, as well as a white paper describing the effort. This application demonstrates the powerful capability of Visual C++ to retarget existing C++ code at the .NET CLR with little effort. It shows how a highly performance-critical application like Quake II can retain these characteristics in the CLR environment, while simultaneously offering new features implemented using the .NET Framework. | ||
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| #1 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/23/2003 11:00:15 AM |
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Actually, it's not Quake II in .NET. I was disappointed.
It's Quake II in old-fashioned C++ that was compiled with the Visual C++.NET (7) compiler, but the code is still unsafe/unmanaged. He added a managed "radar" app that shows objects on the map which is cool. The point is that you can take a very complicated C++ app and port it .NET piecemeal. Cool nonetheless, but I'll be really impressed when someone writes QuakeII in C# using MDX9. |
| #2 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/23/2003 1:57:36 PM |
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#2: I know what you're talking about, but apparently you don't understand the difference between managed and unmanaged code.
Managed Extensions for C++ are just that, extensions. If you want to truly "use .NET", you have to use those Extensions and code in a .NET style. You can, however, take existing C++ apps and recompile them with the VC++.NET (7) compiler and run them in the runtime, but the code runs exactly the same and in an unmanaged, unsafe state. There's virtually no difference. That's what's happening here. The Quake II code was not modified, according to this site (well, other than a few basic things to support the new, more standardized C++ compiler in VC++ 7, but that has nothing to do with the .NET Framework). The code is still the same, it's not taking advantage of any of the .NET Framework's features. Only the radar is built using managed code and with the .NET Framework in mind. There's a big difference, even though it sounds small. This post was edited by daz on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 13:59. |
| #3 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/23/2003 6:36:18 PM |
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#5: *sigh* I know, that's what I was saying. This example is cool, but not all that impressive.
It's an example of mixed managed/unmanaged code to show how you can upgrade piecemeal. But, like I said, I would be really impressed if they used managed constructs, OO design, and Managed DirectX. As far as unsafe/unmanaged, I realize that, but the people to whom I was speaking don't understand that and "unsafe" sounds more like what I really mean. Unsafe in any context other than C# just means regular old-fashioned compiled machine code. |
| #4 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/23/2003 9:23:30 PM |
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#7:
1.) Well, the first guy didn't get it, and many people I've talked with about .NET don't get the whole "managed" or "safe" and "unsafe" code, so I'm not being presumptuous, I'm speaking from LOTS of experience evangelizing .NET. 2.) Don't be a hatah. I just said that this is not much of a feat, it's more of a "See look, it really does this". I would be impressed by someone who could make a full native .NET port. Why do you guys get so hateful all of a sudden? I'm not trying to belittle their work, but I'm just trying to qualify the headline which is EXTREMELY misleading and frustrates me by the general Press and public's lack of understanding about .NET. As far as posting on this site, not that a troll like you deserves any type of response, I happen to be a contributor to this site in a number of areas. What do you do besides point fingers and insult people from ignorance? |
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