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| Time: 16:33 EST/21:33 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Brian Kvalheim | ||
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<%=GetPoll(79)%> WASHINGTON — Imagine casting a vote for U.S. president from a cybercafe in Thailand, an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf or a laptop computer at home. Thousands of people serving in the military and Americans living abroad will have that option next year in the nation's most extensive Internet voting experiment, viewed by some as a step toward elections in cyberspace. | ||
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| #1 By 1658 (12.206.189.93) at 7/14/2003 4:49:46 PM |
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If it eliminates the "appointing" of what is supposed to be our "chosen" leader then I'm all for it. Given that some of the American public is obviously too stupid to use a voter punch card, it's time to make it even simpler. Press one button, move on. No more dimpled chads and certainly no more economic, foreign policy, oil blundering retarded monkey-species appointments to the oval office.
Yes, I'd be happier with a President that lies under oath and receives oral sex everywhere in the White House. Introducing digital technology into many currently paper-oriented processes is not always the right way to simplify things, but it certainly does do so in the majority of cases while also streamlining the overall process and reducing operational costs in the long-term. P.S. I still haven't found "nuculer", "terra", "horra", or "hydrogegen" in the dictionary. Although I am comforted by the fact that the commander in chief of the world's most powerful military believes that the "human being and fish can coexist peacefully". This post was edited by aamendala on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 17:07. |
| #2 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 7/14/2003 5:01:46 PM |
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Anyone living in FLA or Cali can understand that, even beyond out and out fraud, enough ridiculous "mistakes" occur as is...
On a related note, I've begun my campaign to become the next Governor of California... I've got 6 signatures, just need 9,994 more to be on the ballot! My campaign slogan is: "If you intend to overturn a democratically decided election to put some d!psh!t, who couldn't otherwise be elected, in power... it might as well be me!" What do ya think? A bit long-winded, I know, but I think my campaign will prove catchy. If you live in Cali and would like to participate, let me know... I could use all the signatures I can get (including the deceased, illegal immigrants, non residents, the imaginary... etc...) And if you're a resident, you should run too! Put an Unelectable DoucheBag in Office, Vote For Me! This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 18:14. |
| #3 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 7/14/2003 5:05:03 PM |
| Oh, and of course... $$$ contributions are always appreciated.... although right now I need a few more signatures. |
| #4 By 1658 (12.206.189.93) at 7/14/2003 5:06:20 PM |
| Nicely put... :) That got a good gut laugh outta me. ;-) |
| #5 By 37 (66.82.20.150) at 7/14/2003 5:06:54 PM |
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"receives oral sex everywhere in the White House."
Hmmm...I wish there was an electronic voting booth for that so I could participate :-) |
| #6 By 2231 (164.86.99.3) at 7/14/2003 5:19:58 PM |
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Hopefully the security is better than Diebold's.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00064.htm Why the Windows requirement? Any browser should be sufficient. |
| #7 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 5:31:13 PM |
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"That got a good gut laugh outta me. ;-)"
I'm not joking. I'm freakin' serious. I need your signature and your money! What do you want for it? Seriously, give me your signature and a couple of bucks, and anything you want when I'm in offce is your's, aamendala! That whole "oral sex" thing... I can arrange that for you too if you get me the signatures of 10 of your friends. You're a Cal resident, right? Ehhh, what do I care! I can arrange Oral Sex for You! (And it's "Darn Good" too.) This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 18:18. |
| #8 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 7/14/2003 5:33:54 PM |
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sodajerk - Make sure your name appears on the ballot as being with the "No New Taxes" party. :)
As for electronic elections... I'm against them. I think Florida proved how critical it is to have human readable paper backups of ballots. If the system is entirely electronic, it can and will be manipulated. The best solution I have seen proposed is an electronic display that the user selects choices, but the results are then printed to a ballot form by a laser printer. The form is then taken to an optical scanner and read. In the event that the electronic display or laser printer fails, the ballot forms can be filled out with a pencil and fed into the same optical scanner. Electronic failures, power outages and so forth are something else that proponents of entirely electronic voting do not take into consideration. To add to schwit's article... Pay particular attention towards the bottom where it says Senator Chuck Hagel is part owner in one voting machine company. Senator Hagel has also been one of the biggest proponents of eliminating paper ballots entirely. His motives are up for debate, but it is doubtful they are the most pure. |
| #9 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 5:36:51 PM |
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"Make sure your name appears on the ballot as being with the "No New Taxes" party."
Hell, I'm calling it: The Whatever You Fuckin Want Party. It may make some people's ears burn, but I find most Americans like: what they want, fuckin, and ... whatever. Ain't No Party Like A "Whatever You Fuckin Want Party"! This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 17:47. |
| #10 By 14158 (68.200.60.3) at 7/14/2003 5:53:58 PM |
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Sodablue,
Ballots can and are manipulated regardless of the medium. Here in FL, several known democratic precincts had their ballots lost on the way to be counted. I wonder why that happened? This past Governor’s election (George’s good little bro, Jeb) we used electronic voting booths with touch screens. When I voted against Jeb, it selected his name, TWICE. On the third press it finally stuck, and I can tell you that the two buttons were no where near each other on the screen. So, you see, it just doesn’t matter. And no, I'm not knocking America at all. I am just fed up with some of the BS politics. |
| #11 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 5:57:20 PM |
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"So, you see, it just doesn’t matter."
It goddamn well does matter! Elect me Governor of California, and all the evil fukkers will learn just how much it does matter! Elect me and you'll learn WHAT MATTERS!!! "And no, I'm not knocking America at all. I am just fed up with some of the BS politics." I AM knocking America! If you want to give America a knock too, vote for me!! "Give America a Knock on the Head! Democracy is Dead!" This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 18:05. |
| #12 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 6:24:37 PM |
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Not if I get enough fellow douchebags on the ballot. I figure if I get 15,000,000 million California residents to run for Governor, and they all vote for themselves (God willing -- some of these morons (Issa, Riordan, Simon, Simpson, etc...) are complete f'in morons), then Gray will Stay.
(Anyway, the reality of the situation here is far different than Faux News would have you believe. This could still easily go no where.) I Haven't Done As Many Steroids But My Penis is Just as Shriveled! |
| #13 By 2332 (216.41.45.78) at 7/14/2003 6:44:23 PM |
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I don't think we should make it any easier for people to vote.
If you're not motivated enough to get off your your butt and get to the polls once or twice a year, then we're all better off if you don't vote at all. No, I'm not kidding. Voting is a serious matter, and those who don't take it seriously should NOT be voting at all. Allowing people to vote online will almost certainly increase the number of people who casually vote without thinking it through, and that's the last thing we need. There is a reason we live in a representative democracy - the Founding Father's realized that a slow government, a government where everything is done by-proxy, is a government that makes fewer mistakes because it can't usually react in the "heat of the moment." The same goes for individuals. |
| #14 By 10748 (169.3.170.249) at 7/14/2003 6:49:39 PM |
| #1 Can't you or almost anyone in this Forum make comments on the technology without slipping in your own political views... damn that gets annoying... Admins, please see if activepoliticalsoapbox.com is taken. |
| #15 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 6:53:55 PM |
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Ah, yes, RMD has stumbled on to one of my first initiatives:
The Pre-Voting Intelligence Test. The plan is to ram this state's own sh!t down the throat of its own political machinery... To take the power away from all the retarded fatheads!! And then: NEVER give it back to them!! When they go to the voting booth and don't understand why they need to know how to tie their own shoelaces, that's when we'll really give it to 'em!! I'll take Anyone's Vote! ...Unless You're a Retard. (Well... in the recall vote, I'll take the moron vote... but after that... no more!!) This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 19:15. |
| #16 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 6:58:06 PM |
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Pixel, watch out, or the first... I mean second thing I'll do is put you into the cell right next door to Charlie Manson's.
Actually... I'm putting you IN Charlie's cell. (By the way, you're in Sacto, would you like to sign my ballot application?) Stop Interfering With Freedom and Democracy! Seize the Power With Me! This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 19:16. |
| #17 By 1658 (12.206.189.93) at 7/14/2003 7:32:33 PM |
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"#1 Can't you or almost anyone in this Forum make comments on the technology without slipping in your own political views... damn that gets annoying... Admins, please see if activepoliticalsoapbox.com is taken. "
Can't you or almost anyone else that reads forum comments simply read a post for what it's worth and if you don't particularly agree with the opinion the poster is stating, just ignore it? I didn't think so. It isn't that complicated a process. 1. Read post. 2. Determine if you agree or disagree with the sentiments presented. 3. Ignore it, or comment on it in a way you feel is constructive. I commented on the technology and our President as well, yes. Sorry but if I disagree with our present leadership situation, which might I add is indisputably attributable to a failure of our present voting system technology, and I comment on that as well, so be it in my mind. I personally found it quite linked to the technology to which this poll was referring. You're entire comment and especially your lackluster "activepoliticalsoapbox.com" comment certainly didn't comment on the technology in any way shape or form. Perhaps you should take some of your own medicine. Phew... perhaps I'll go see if ActiveSeekersOfAdviceOnHowNotToGetOffendedWhenSomeoneElsePresentsTheirOpinion.org is taken. |
| #18 By 10748 (169.3.170.249) at 7/14/2003 7:53:00 PM |
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#18 I'm sorry you are so angry, why don't you go vent in a political forum, and leave the people who like to discuss computer related technology alone. I disagree with you using a tech related forum for your own political soap box. No matter how much I may or may not disagree with you is beside the point.
So... someone who disagrees with your use of the forum cannot post their disapproval??? I wish I wouldn't have to post anything that didn't address the issue at hand. The topic is "Elections in cyberspace" Not "What do you think of the electorial process, and most importantly what do you think of our president". Believe me... if that was the topic I would know I was on the wrong site.... Maybe that is the problem, do you know that this is a windows enthusiast site? This post was edited by Pixel on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 19:54. |
| #19 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 8:03:47 PM |
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Pixel, on a technological note, what would it take for me to get your vote?
Hey, I'm all in favor of Tech. As long as we send all those greedy, anti-democratic fatheads to Heck!! This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 20:22. |
| #20 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 7/14/2003 8:33:14 PM |
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I must apologize for today's actions. The coincidence of reading vast quantities of HST and recent political events here in California have spun me into a deranged ecstacy of Freak Power... However, I must give my inspiration his proper due... (It's all his fault.) And in salute and appreciation, I will sign off today with another rip off....
In Fear and Loathing, sodajerk P.S. Any moron who would interpret my posts as "my" political opinions, you are just the type of fool my campaign needs. Please sign my ballot application... I'll be manning a booth in all public transportation centers, waiting to beat the crap out of you, if you do not sign!! P.P.S. Anyone who can appreciate a joke more than a boring "technological" article spewed forth by some pseudo-journalist... I hope you enjoyed, you're just the kind of man who would be perfect for my campaign... Maybe better than me--if you can prove it, I'm ready to sign on. Remember: Even YOU can be Governor of California! |
| #21 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/14/2003 11:18:14 PM |
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Yes, I'd be happier with a President that lies under oath and receives oral sex everywhere in the White House.
Oops, I think you meant: Lied under oath, abused power to cover up, enlisted the media to focus on that while he sold nuclear, missle guidance, and other high-technology secrets to the Chinese communist and allowed members of the Lippo Group, a Chi-com government/military front company to infiltrate top levels of the Pentagon with should-have-been-expired access cards President? Hint: look up Yah Lin 'Charlie' Trie, Ng Lap Seng, Yao Yi, Collin Xu, Wen Ho Lee (and the Janet Reno, Louis Freeh connection), among many others. While you were laughing about Clinton getting hummers, he was laughing that you bought it while: A summary of events by New York Times columnist William Safire notes that in April 1996, "a Department of Energy official informed President Clinton’s deputy national security adviser, Samuel Berger, (1) that China had probably stolen our secrets of making warheads small enough to enable long-range missiles to pack multiple nuclear punches, and (2) that the suspected spy was still at work in the Los Alamos laboratory in New Mexico." So far, I'd take Bush who's a little uncouth, has public speaking problems, and likes to defend our national security over a traitorous, ultra socialist liberal who even agreed with Madeline Albright when she said that the world would be a better place without the US as a superpower. Be afraid of Democrats in power. Be very afraid. Before Clinton: Chinese missles could barely reach a target outside of their borders accurately. During and After Clinton: Chinese missles can hit San Francisco, Seattle, Alaska and Hawaii. Thanks Clinton! |
| #22 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/14/2003 11:25:37 PM |
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Glen - Absolutely! Which is why we need the checks and balances. It doesn't matter what party it is, right now it's primarily the GOP trying to manipulate elections but it wasn't always so and it won't always be so. It bothers me when Politicians look for short term political gain instead of looking at long term consequences and doing what is right overall. 20 years from now these same people pushing through these bad laws will be complaining about how they are being used against them and how unfair it is.
Pixel - "I'm sorry you are so angry, why don't you go vent in a political forum, and leave the people who like to discuss computer related technology alone." Wow, wouldn't that be nice? |
| #23 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/14/2003 11:26:18 PM |
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Daschle. Kerry. Lieberman. Feinstein...
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998 So, it's ok when a Democrat is president, but it's EVIL WARMONGERING when a Republican is president. "Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998 "This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others "Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998 "Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert (KKK Grand Wizard) Byrd, October 2002 "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002 This post was edited by daz on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 23:28. |
| #24 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/14/2003 11:27:31 PM |
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Pixel - Speaking of which... Please read the lunacy posted in #22 and #25.
If you want this to be a non-Political site, convince that bafoon to leave his fantasies at home in the bedroom where they belong. BTW, daz - I feel bad that you got trashed so badly over the weekend, it would not be fair for me to kick you when you're down. I'll give you a couple of more days to recover. This post was edited by sodablue on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 23:29. |
| #25 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/14/2003 11:27:54 PM |
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"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002 "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002 "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998 "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002 FORGET EVERYTHING WE SAID AND VOTE ON EMOTION -- VOTE DEMOCRAT! |
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