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| Time: 13:33 EST/18:33 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Brian Kvalheim | ||
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In a move that could potentially bring Linux to the masses, eight of the world's top consumer electronics vendors have formed an alliance to promote development of the open-source operating system for use in digital devices including audio and visual equipment and mobile phones. | ||
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| #1 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/1/2003 3:54:23 PM |
| It's funny, but actually Linux is too bloated to be used for embedded devices. I assume that these companies basically intend to strip out all the bloat. |
| #2 By 16451 (63.227.226.13) at 7/1/2003 4:52:39 PM |
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>>> It's funny, but actually Linux is too bloated to be used for embedded devices
Funny, I don't have any problems at all fitting it on a floppy disk. |
| #3 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/1/2003 8:13:57 PM |
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RH7.3 - Try fitting it into 256k of RAM or less. Most embedded devices don't come with floppy drives.
Doggin - No the funny thing is that Unix/Linux invented the word bloat. |
| #4 By 16451 (65.19.16.125) at 7/1/2003 10:06:45 PM |
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Soda, in order to substantiate your point by demonstating that the market that you allege exists actually does exist, please list ten commercially available devices that have an embedded processor using a COTS OS (i.e., don't use a totally stand-alone application) and alse have 256k or less of flash memory. But, in the mean time, my cell is ringing, so I leave you for now. BTW, my cell phone has 8 meg of flash.
>>> Most embedded devices don't come with floppy drives Of couse not ah. I was putting forth a metaphorical description of the size of the Linux kernal, not implying that embeded devices have floppy drives. Even though some do. This post was edited by RH7.3 on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 22:10. |
| #5 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/2/2003 2:27:20 AM |
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linuxhippie - Because most embedded devices have very little memory. Key design criteria is usually size and power consumption. 256K was just an example to point RH7.3 down the right path... he clearly decided to take the fork towards never never land instead.
Most of the embedded systems my father worked on in industrial controls used either 68k or 80186 processors with as little as 4K of RAM. The bulk of systems out there of that nature, little computers in your dishwasher, etc. RH7.3 - LOL! You got to be joking. Programmable remote controls, DVD players, cordless telephones, many of the newer appliances like dishwashers, washing machines, stoves/ovens with digital displays... Not all embedded systems are Tivo's. LOL! |
| #6 By 16451 (65.19.17.136) at 7/2/2003 9:03:38 AM |
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Soda, the devices you listed do not use a COTS OS, as was a condition included in my question.
And as far as "the right path goes", I very well remember those days. Like 1977 when I built a drinking water distribution control system that used 8080 processors for a major city. If memory serves me, those systems had a whole 8K of flash... |
| #7 By 12071 (203.217.79.68) at 7/2/2003 9:07:36 AM |
| #12 As everyone has been saying, the audio/video appliances and mobile phone that are going to be running Linux are going to have a little more than 256K of memory - as the story mentions, this looks like a move to combat Microsoft's push for companies to use it's OS in embedded devices. If they can manage to stick in a stripped down version of the Windows/NT kernel, I'm sure they'll be able to stick in a stripped down version of Linux. |
| #8 By 7797 (63.76.44.252) at 7/2/2003 12:53:16 PM |
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Sodablue, congrats, another one for the Hall of Shame definetely!!!!
The sodablue Hall of Shame: "It's funny, but actually Linux is too bloated to be used for embedded devices." "Linux which is motivated entirely from hatred of Microsoft products" "OSS development is cheaper... partly true, but since it's unreliable and slower you position yourself with a competitive disadvantage." "The large problem is really that most open source zealots do not have any understanding of the computer world." "The US should start investigating on whether Linux exists because of illegal dumping by foreign companies." "most GPL code is of dubius quality" "I don't have a problem with Linux but I do have a problem with the community's general lack of respect for other peoples work." |
| #9 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/2/2003 4:27:13 PM |
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linuxhippie - Oh, I definately agree. I was simply pointing out that the market isn't quite what some Linux proponents think it is.
RH7.3 - Uhh, yes, actually they do. I have a sarcastic response, but I'll save that for later. kabuki - Well I would certainly hope so, considering how bloated Linux is. bluesky - Yes, Microsoft is a bit player, no denying that. VxWorks is the big boy in town, and Linux is certainly cutting into marketshare. Wind River is now promoting a BSD based OS in addition to VxWorks... of course the nice thing about BSD is that it doesn't have all the licensing baggage that comes with Linux. tgnb - Sigh... When will you grow up? |
| #10 By 7797 (63.76.44.252) at 7/2/2003 4:44:21 PM |
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RH7.3:
"Of couse not ah. I was putting forth a metaphorical description of the size of the Linux kernal, not implying that embeded devices have floppy drives. Even though some do." Exactly and any rational person would have understood this without you having to explain it. Can't you see that this is a typical sodablue tactic? He pretends he is unable to understand such easy things and based on this tries to bend the conversation into a completely different direction. By reacting and explaining the obvious to him he has succeded in his goal. He did not actually respond to YOUR argument but in turn made you explain something that was already obvious to the rest of the readers in the first place. This tactic of his could have been one of the sparks for my Sodablue Hall of Shame. |
| #11 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/3/2003 11:52:14 AM |
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tgnb - "Can't you see that this is a typical sodablue tactic?"
As opposed to the typical tgnb tactic of stalking? bluesky - Hard to say. From a business propspective there is a high cost associated with being forced to turn over your intellectual property to the public. This post was edited by sodablue on Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 11:54. |
| #12 By 7797 (63.76.44.252) at 7/3/2003 1:57:51 PM |
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sodablue:
Let me give you the dictionary defenition of the work stalking since you dont seem to know the meaning of the word. ------- stalk ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stôk) v. stalked, stalk·ing, stalks v. intr. 1. To walk with a stiff, haughty, or angry gait: stalked off in a huff. 2. To move threateningly or menacingly. 3. To track prey or quarry. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. ------- As you can see my postings of your ridiculous comments are not stalking. It would be advisable for you to use words to wich you know the definition in the future. But then again, maybe you like looking like an idiot as it fits well with your strategy as I have described above. This post was edited by tgnb on Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 14:03. |
| #13 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/3/2003 2:46:09 PM |
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tgnb - Someone who obsessively makes notes of every little thing I say and then continually posts those notes in a message board is a stalker. You can quote any other definition you like, but it doesn't change what you have been doing.
I don't care if I look like an idiot. I just find it personally disturbing when people obsess over me. |
| #14 By 7797 (64.244.109.161) at 7/4/2003 11:15:07 AM |
| LOL obsessed eh? I read this forum just like everyone else here. Probably spend less time here than you do. After falling appart laughing at some of your comments for some time, i simply decided to collect the best ones whenever i read them. If you think i am obsessed with you then i think you are a bit paranoid. |
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