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Will Microsoft's browser engine backfire? | |
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| Time: 10:28 EST/15:28 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Microsoft may have unwittingly started a revolt against its Internet Explorer (IE) browser by discontinuing it as a standalone product and blurring the future of the current version, IE 6. Earlier this month, Microsoft admitted it would not release any new versions of IE as a standalone browser. Instead, the software giant said that the next version of IE will be an integrated part of the Windows operating system. | ||
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| #1 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/30/2003 12:12:21 PM |
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I'm liking this new google toolbar with it's popup blocking!
I don't understand Microsoft's position on this. It would seem to be in their best interest to continue to update the IE engine at least so far as it still has bugs in the way it handles rendering of some HTML. I don't know, maybe this was part of their settlement with the DOJ to help give Mozilla a bit of a lift. |
| #2 By 16302 (64.201.211.161) at 6/30/2003 12:25:26 PM |
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For the first time, Microsoft is going to feel the back-lash of their own developer community. Microsoft's past success has always been to win over the developers who build the apps, and generate the famous 'feedback effect'. Their recent announcement to not provide a seperate install of IE ouside of an OS upgrade is going to make their internet developer community mutiny. Microsoft, think of it this way: we currently develop for IE because we know it has broad deployment and most clients upgrade to the latest browser, despite using an older OS (in many ways, IE is middleware). If Microsoft does not allow older OSs (like Windows XP and 2000) to upgrade to the latest browser, then there is absolutely no insentive for a web developer to continue developing to the Microsoft DOM. In fact, it adds a disincentive because there is absolutely no way that a user can get an updated browser without purchasing a new OS, which may or may not run on their existing hardware. APIs change, and developers do not want to support multiple versions of browsers.
Microsoft - be warned - this is the most foolish move that you have ever made! I would recommend firing any manager who is promoting this strategy because they obviously don't get it - developers, developers, developers! |
| #3 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 6/30/2003 1:25:29 PM |
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Delete SHDOCVW.DLL (core HTML rendering component of IE) and see how much stuff in your OS starts breaking.
Delete msxml*.dll and see how fast stuff starts breaking. Those are core IE components (IE is actually just an app that uses the SHDOCVW.DLL) as well as core OS components. |
| #4 By 2062 (131.107.3.93) at 6/30/2003 1:27:19 PM |
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Everyday there's a new article about how microsoft is gonna be crushed by linux, open source, alternate browser, [insert name here]. Until it actually happens, i don't really care. Last i looked ie had 90% market share. This is just speculation.
-gosh |
| #5 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 6/30/2003 1:31:31 PM |
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#11: IE is really just a thin application that uses a few key DLLs like the aforementioned SHDOCVW.DLL.
All they're really doing is making SHDOCVW.DLL an OS component rather than the support nightmare it is today being part of IE releases. You will see an IE-like app will all the new features of whatever version of SHDOCVW.DLL people have on their machines just like you do today. 3rd parties will use the IE rendering engine in their own browsers. I think MS realizes that they can't keep up with browsers like Mozilla and so they'd rather just expose their rendering engine and let other people make the fancy apps. Also, I think that MS isn't thinking of the today, they're thinking of tomorrow where things like HTML are going to be obsolete. Pages will be XML files that are rendered with XSLT and you can choose the XSLT you want to view a page and data with. In fact, pages will probably just be web services that return data in specified formats and rendering occurs in other places (the client, or a intermediary web server with a bunch of XSLT to control the rendering output). HTML sucks which is why they made XHTML which is just one small step away from XML. The debate about HTML standards won't last much longer. It's stupid in the first place to have all these different types of psuedo-XML markups when XML is and surrounding technologies are so much cleaner and well standardized. The browser is going to be largely irrelevant. |
| #6 By 7390 (198.246.16.251) at 6/30/2003 3:00:47 PM |
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#13, you are a joy stealer! How can the Linux advocates go through a day and not speculate as to the demise of Microsoft?
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| #7 By 13998 (217.122.34.74) at 6/30/2003 6:12:49 PM |
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This is Microsoft.. You never know what they do next.
If there are a lot of complaints and if they see that their market share is going down due to slow updates they will definitely change their mind. One example that I can clearly remember is the domain logon support in Windows ME. They decided to remove it, they even released a beta with which you could not logon to a domain, and then there were a lot complaints. Eventually they released the final product with domain logon support. |
| #8 By 16302 (64.201.211.161) at 6/30/2003 6:31:18 PM |
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#14, I don't think you really understood my problem. I don't care at all about the skin - I only care about the rendering engine. If Microsoft is only upgrading the browser rendering engine with new OS versions, then I cannot write DHTML applications to the latest-and-greatest DOM, as all older OSes will not be able to render. I have not seen Microsoft mention that they will continue to upgrade the IE rendering engine with seperate installs, so I have to assume that they are throwing the baby out with the bath water (so to speak).
If anyone has a reference that demonstrates that Microsoft will continue to offer upgraded and equivelent browser rendering engines for all new and old OSes in the future, please share this with the community. |
| #9 By 61 (24.92.223.112) at 7/1/2003 12:06:12 PM |
| All these IE based browsers that include tabs, pop-up blocking, etc... are all VERY piss poor. They are nothing more than bloated pieces of junk. |
| #10 By 61 (24.92.223.112) at 7/1/2003 12:08:15 PM |
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Maybe Microsoft is focusing on development for a new browser.
It does seem wierd though, Microsoft seems to be pulling themselves out of a lot of areas in the last couple weeks, most recent of which is the discontinued Sidewinder hardware. |
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