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Oracle, Sun combine to resist Microsoft in India | |
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| Time: 15:22 EST/20:22 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Todd Richardson | ||
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The Indian arms of the global infotech giants Sun Microsystem and Oracle are bringing the battle to India for the low-cost computing and 70 million dollars worth NT-based server markets challenging Microsoft's dominance. The two firms announced the partership as part of the global alliance to open new markets in Bangalore on Thursday. Bhaskar Pramanik, managing director of Sun Microsystem, said the two firms will focus on the low-cost computing market where Microsoft currently has the largest market share. | ||
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| #1 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 6/28/2003 10:01:36 PM |
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Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison made a joint statement at the press conference:
"We have decided to take the Microsoft jaggernaut head-on in India. We're going to try to get the Indians to replace all their low-cost, low-maintenance, highly scalable, high-performance Windows- and SQL Server-based systems using .NET with high-cost, astronomical-maintenance, moderately scalable, snail-performing Solaris- and Oracle-based systems using J2EE. We think we'll take the market by storm! Who wants to buy some stock right now!!?" |
| #2 By 7754 (24.245.76.135) at 6/29/2003 1:38:52 AM |
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"The NT-based server market, currently worth 70 million dollars, is now dominated by Microsoft."
Um, who else offers NT besides Microsoft? I would hope they would dominate the NT-based server market! |
| #3 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 6/29/2003 10:45:22 AM |
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uh oh, sounds like I struck a nerve into the army of unemployed former Solaris/Unix administrators who've been replaced by a much smaller number of Windows 2000 and 2003 administrators.
In other news, Solaris doesn't top any meaningful scalability benchmarks. Perhaps Solaris is the most scalable Unix (which doesn't appear to be the case), but that's still not saying much. http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.asp I see Solaris makes a mediocre performance coming in at #6 and blowing away all the other competition in PRICE. Perhaps you meant that Solaris has the most scalable price? It's Price/tpmC is about 60% more expensive than the next nearst highest price (which not-suprisingly is also Unix). Solaris also costs about twice as much as the leading performer (a Windows 2000 Advanced Server -- not even Datacenter server! MS is holding the punches). "But that's clustered!" you may say. Ok, let's look at non-clustered: http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.asp?resulttype=noncluster&version=5 Again, Windows tops the charts with a low-low price of only $9.13/tmpC. Solaris still sits at an astronomical $28.58/tmpC, bankrupting any company who might make the mistake of trying to use it. Also, Solaris chokes out at a measly 455,818 tpmC whereas the Windows competor, nearly 3x less expensive, hits a whopping 707,102 tmpC. So, as I said, you'd have to be a fool, or like to burn money for less performance if you wanted to choose Solaris. It just doesn't make sense to buy Sun/Oracle. It never did, except that "It Wasn't Microsoft" which we know is the only reason people buy Sun or Oracle (ABMers). I guess that's why Sun is virtually a penny stock now at $4.73/share and Oracle isn't much better at $12.43. Oracle seems a little smarter, though, they're trying to grasp at straws and acquire some other company to inflate it's market value in the hopes that someone will buy them for a bigger price. Check out the 3-year performance for ORCL: http://tinyurl.com/fk5q (long money.msn.com url) Or even worse, the 3-year of SUNW: http://tinyurl.com/fk5t (long money.msn.com url) You'd think it were the gelogical cut-away of an ocean-front cliff-rock formation. Ouch. Just to be fair, here's MSFT's performance: http://tinyurl.com/fk5v Which isn't great, but it's not flatlined like ORCL or SUNW |
| #4 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 6/29/2003 4:53:01 PM |
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daz looks up through hole and obliterates choochoo This post was edited by mooresa56 on Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 16:56. |
| #5 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 6/29/2003 8:18:07 PM |
| #5 TPC-C does not specifically benchmark scalability - the results that it produces do in no way reflect how scalable a particular platform is. CooCoo didn't say it was the cheapest, I don't think anyone would say that about Solaris nor Oracle, he just said it was the most scalable. |
| #6 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/29/2003 9:49:51 PM |
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chris_kabuki - There are two types of scalability. Horizontal and Vertical.
You are confusing the two, or at least ignoring Horizontal scalability, which is interesting because I pegged you as a Linux fanboy and the only way Linux is scalable is horizontally. Think Beowulf. Think RAID. Think oh nevermind... |
| #7 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 6/30/2003 12:36:01 AM |
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#8 "because I pegged you as a Linux fanboy"
You "pegged" me wrong, must be something to do with you being a MS sheep =) BTW, this is about Solaris not Linux, I never mentioned Linux. Additionally, did any one notice that the 3rd paragraph from the bottom states: "now eyeing the 80 million dollars (approximate) NT-based server market [in India]". Yet only a couple of lines later, in the final paragraph it states: "The NT-based server market, currently worth 70 million dollars". Which is it? 70? 80? This post was edited by chris_kabuki on Monday, June 30, 2003 at 00:47. |
| #8 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 6/30/2003 11:36:53 AM |
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It's 70 now, it's projected to be 80 by the time Sun/Oracle is going to enter the market?
I'm curious about how Sun/Oracle are going to provide a better NT solution considering that they don't provide a Windows NT solution, on a Solaris and database solution :) |
| #9 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/30/2003 12:36:26 PM |
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kabuki - "I never mentioned Linux."
This is a weird response. Why do you think only you control this discussion? I brought up Linux as an example of horizontal scalability. A point which you didn't respond to, I might mention. |
| #10 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/30/2003 8:01:07 PM |
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linuxhippie - vertical scalability implies a near linear performance improvement as you grow the size of the machine. It also implies stable execution with the larger machine.
Linux does not perform either task well. |
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