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13:13 EST/18:13 GMT | News Source:
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Posted By: Robert Stein |
Microsoft has a big problem--and it could get a helluva lot worse.
The Redmond, Wash.-based company is engaged in a pitched battle with Linux and open-source software, in a fight that Microsoft could conceivably lose. Because of the war in Iraq, matters are potentially worse.
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#1 By
7390 (198.246.16.251)
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4/7/2003 2:13:07 PM
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Why isn't the title "American businesses face post-war crisis"?
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#2 By
6859 (206.156.242.36)
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4/7/2003 2:15:01 PM
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The author of this article is about as paranoid as I have ever seen. Must be watching too many episodes of The X-Files.
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#3 By
2 (24.54.154.185)
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4/7/2003 3:06:16 PM
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sigh
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#4 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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4/7/2003 3:44:48 PM
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This author has made a conclusion and now works backwards from that to justify it.
There are some valid points made, it's just the way they are tied together is questionable.
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#5 By
7797 (63.76.44.252)
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4/7/2003 4:29:18 PM
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Yeah sodablue, anything not glorifying microsoft is questionable.
sigh
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#6 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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4/7/2003 4:54:07 PM
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tgnb - No, anything bashing microsoft without substance is questionable.
Why don't you ever want to discuss specifics? You just always automatically assume that anything bashing Microsoft must be honest, which is just baffling to me.
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#7 By
1896 (208.61.156.241)
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4/7/2003 5:35:00 PM
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I agree with #1; big troubles are coming but they will affect everybody both in US and Europe.
Also it is worth to remind the Author of the article that during crisis CASH rules.
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#8 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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4/7/2003 5:45:26 PM
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h2f, Clinton's administration or Bush's, Reagan's or Carter's, whomever--most of the Arab world will hate us regardless. Also, you forget that the U.N. voted "serious consequences" for Hussein's regime if they did not disarm, not just the U.S. The war notwithstanding, the world had a problem with Iraq, not just the U.S.
There may not be a whole lot we can do to prevent anti-American sentiments worldwide. Microsoft does face some unique challenges ahead, as they always have. It will be quite impressive if they can come out on top.
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#9 By
2 (24.54.154.185)
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4/7/2003 6:26:44 PM
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I do not like the Bush Administration or its policies.
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#10 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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4/7/2003 6:54:19 PM
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h2f, your comment was that Saddam was not serving American interests, so we went to war with him. That's not quite accurate--what I'm pointing out as missing is that the U.N. ruled--on many separate occasions--that Saddam was in violation and faced serious consequences. As I said (and you ignored), "the war notwithstanding." Even German Chancellor Schroeder was quoted as saying on April 6th that it was time for regime change in Baghdad--it's not just the U.S.
And, you are wrong in your blanket statement that "all the 'evidences' about Iraq getting materials to build a nuclear bomb are all fabricated by the US government." The ONE instance of Iraqis shopping for uranium in Africa was based on falsified records, which btw, were not falsified by the U.S (the IAEA said they did not blame either Britain or the U.S. for the forgery--the documents "were shared with us in good faith"). You are turning a blind eye towards all the other "evidences" of Iraq's nuclear ambitions. It's pretty unusual to have nuclear weapons engineers if you don't have a nuclear weapons program. Even if the nuclear programs had not been resumed, it is now a non-issue as Iraq has used prohibited weapons in combat. The use of these weapons proves two things: 1) they have prohibited weapons, and 2) they knew all along they had prohibited weapons. The job of the U.N. weapons inspectors was not to play hide-and-seek; it was the responsibility of Saddam's goverment to reveal these weapons and destroy them. They did not reveal the weapons, and they had no intentions of doing so unless the weapons inspectors had unveiled them.
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#11 By
135 (208.50.204.91)
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4/7/2003 9:05:04 PM
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bluvg - You know when last we discussed politics you said you weren't going to bring it up anymore.
In fact I believe you also promised to denounce others who brought it up. Yet I don't see you telling parker to shut up, despite the fact that he raised the issue in post #3.
Just curious. It's leading me to believe you were just trying to silence opposition to your views rather than out of any sincerity.
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#12 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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4/7/2003 10:05:57 PM
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sodablue, I decided to stop presenting my point in that particular discussion with you, not any other discussion.
My first comments attempted to keep the topic on the article and how it pertained to Microsoft's fate in the current world situation, but h2f's response was only regarding the world situation part of the article. I offered refutation of those arguments with specific evidence.
Parker, France and Germany are hedging their bets as of late--French Prime Raffarin said "We are in the democratic camp," he said. "The Americans are not enemies." German Chancellor Schroeder called for "the defeat of the dictatorship" in Iraq.
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#13 By
1896 (208.61.156.241)
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4/7/2003 10:06:35 PM
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#16 Send a collection of your analisys to Washington, I am sure that nowadays they would hire you right away. Seriously please guys let us all keep politics out. If you feel so involved just exercise your right/obligation and vote.
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#14 By
3653 (209.149.57.116)
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4/7/2003 10:47:21 PM
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say a little prayer tonight for all the Iraqies killed by Saddam during the 8 Clinton years...
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#15 By
135 (208.50.204.91)
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4/7/2003 11:56:02 PM
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bluvg - Whatever. You said you weren't going to discuss politics. If you expect me to abide my pledge to do the same, you better live up to your side.
parker - Oh give me a break.
mooresa56 - That's one of the most offensive things you've said here. It's bad enough that you don't respect your fellow Americans opinions, but the fact that you disrespect the Office of the Presidency is absolutely apalling. You wonder why there is such hatred towards Bush in American today?
Well look in the mirror and learn.
This post was edited by sodablue on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 00:05.
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#16 By
135 (208.50.204.91)
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4/7/2003 11:56:45 PM
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This post was edited by sodablue on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 00:03.
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#17 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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4/8/2003 12:26:54 AM
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sodablue, here's my direct quote from our previous discussion:
"Just to prove sodablue wrong, here's a one-sided (if in fact there are distinct sides between us) armistice. :)"
That was said in regard to that particular discussion only. There's nothing there that states that I gave up talking about a different debate in the future (and I think my original comment fairly directly addressed the article subject). And what on earth did I say that would give you the impression that I said no one else could discuss politics??? It would be near impossible to discuss this article's topic without involving some measure of "politics." Join in yourself if you want. I'm not holding you to any sort of promise, explicit or implied, nor do I think you made any.
Now, so I'm contributing something to this article... did anyone else hear that 33% of French people said they hope the Americans lose the war with Iraq? I'm curious though, if anyone has some evidence that they were significantly warmer towards us before the war. Some French need no provocation to despise the U.S. The Prime Minister had to apologize to the Brits in the past few days for an incident in which some people had vandalized a graveyard of allied soldiers killed in WWII liberating France from the Nazis. They had sprayed anti-American and anti-Brit slogans on the graves, and one had written on the grave of a British soldier: "Dig up your rubbish, it's contaminating our soil."
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#18 By
8062 (206.72.66.205)
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4/8/2003 2:28:17 AM
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To paraphrase Helen Thomas-senior White House news corp..."Bush is the worst President this Nation has ever had..."
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#19 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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4/8/2003 12:21:21 PM
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parker - "Its because of bitter, ignorant people like you. "
Really, and yet you come in here attacking people who simply disagree with you as if they were your enemy. Go pull you head out of your rearend.
bluvg - Now go back to that same thread, and what was it you were whining about? Something about the lack of civility in discussion(to put it mildly).
Yet I still don't see you condemning parker or mooresa56 for the use of inflammatory language.
I'm sorry, but you are a bloody hypocrite. That was what I pointed out in that thread, and you do nothing but confirm it in this thread. It's typical of today's Republican mindset... claim you want civility in discussion, but yet continue to use tactics which do not encourage civility.
You whine about French making anti-American comments, but you don't condemn Americans making anti-French comments. You whine about French desecrating graves, but say nothing about Americans doing the same here.
Myself on the other hand, I believe both are wrong. There's not much I can do about the French, but Americans could certainly take the moral high road and ignore the childishness... Unfortunately the Americans started it. :(
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#20 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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4/8/2003 12:29:22 PM
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bonoriffic - "The only reason people like Saddam exist is because people let him exist, and even encourage him. People seem to be the problem, not politics. "
But you just said that bad people will always exist.
Actually the problem with your argument is that you are unwilling to take responsibility for your decisions. Instead of being honest, you distort the argument by wrapping your decisions in buzzwords.
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#21 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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4/8/2003 12:51:34 PM
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sodablue, thanks for leaping to conclusions, putting words in my mouth, and labeling me things I'm not. Your thinly veiled partisan bias concludes by strong implication that I'm a Republican, which I'm not (just because I respond to or offer refutation of arguments of those that bash Bush doesn't mean I'm pro-Bush, nor does it mean I'm a Republican...). I respond to one person's comment, and you hold me accountable to respond to everyone. Sometimes I'd prefer not to legitimize comments such as "SUSE and Mandrake are from the Axis of Weasels" with a response--what gives you the right to force me to do so? What makes you think I even read mooresa's response? I ask for the thoughts of others on a current event, and you call it whining. You then attempt to exempt yourself by claiming the moral high road as your territory. I'm presenting actual quotes from leaders as a topic of discussion; you're putting words in my mouth, and I don't care for it.
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#22 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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4/8/2003 1:14:50 PM
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sodablue, even though I was simply offering the recent story of the French desecrating WWII Allied graves as a matter of discussion (read my post again and tell me in what way I was whining and not merely stating evidences of France-America tension), please offer me evidence of your statement in #27 of how we are desecrating graves on U.S. soil of French soldiers who helped liberate our country from a hostile invader.
Neither of us condone the anti-French comments, but I certainly understand an intense bitterness on the part of those who lived through WWII--people that lost friends and family, fought in combat themselves, gave several years out of their lives to the effort, and helped finance the reconstruction--and see this happening now.
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#23 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
at
4/8/2003 1:23:47 PM
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Is anyone else worried about North Korea? They seem to have been left almost forgotten the past couple weeks.
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#24 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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4/8/2003 2:06:00 PM
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bluvg - "please offer me evidence of your statement in #27 of how we are desecrating graves on U.S. soil of French soldiers who helped liberate our country from a hostile invader. "
I'll look for some information on that. There are french graves in the US dating back to the Revolutionary war. Of course if they are being desecrated, your FoxNews probably isn't reporting that because it wouldn't serve their interests of promoting fake moral outrage.
But why don't you show me some evidence of your statement that graves of US Soldiers are being desecrated?
The CBC is reporting the graves were Canadian and British.
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/news/2003/04/02/iraq_vandals030402
Even more important, the French have spoken out against this. Again, while it's nasty, this story is only being reported and repeated by people such as yourself to promote moral outrage. This serves the purpose of distracting from the real issues.
So that leads us back to parker's statement...
"Face facts. SUSE and Mandrake want to destroy Microsoft in the same way the countries of Germany and France want to destroy the USA. "
Why didn't you speak out against this statement, bluvg? Is that how you feel? That France and Germany want to destroy the USA? Apparently parker feels this way.
"Neither of us condone the anti-French comments, but I certainly understand an intense bitterness on the part of those who lived through WWII--people that lost friends and family, fought in combat themselves, gave several years out of their lives to the effort, and helped finance the reconstruction--and see this happening now. "
And yet you don't care that perhaps the French feel the same way about the anti-French comments coming out of America?
Anyway this goes back to my point. In the last discussion you whined endlessly about how nasty my comments were. So I made a pledge to not get involved in these political discussions as long as you were going to call out mooresa56, parker, daz and so forth when they started them.
I called you on this last time, that your so called desire to promote unity was nothing more than a farce. You've not done anything to show that I was wrong.
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