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Microsoft bypasses 64bit Opteron | |
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| Time: 00:00 EST/05:00 GMT | News Source: VNUNet | Posted By: Todd Richardson | ||
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When Microsoft unveils high-end versions of its Windows Server 2003 operating system next month it will include full support for Intel's 64bit Itanium processor but not for the 64bit capabilities of AMD's Opteron. The 32bit versions of Windows Server 2003 will run on all x86 processors, including AMD's Opteron, which has both 32bit and 64bit modes. But the two high-end versions of the operating system due out on 24 April will only support Itanium. | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (156.80.64.132) at 3/25/2003 9:00:20 AM |
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I agree. Not everyone is thrilled with Itanium, and this could delay deployment of server 2003.
TL |
| #2 By 432 (216.94.119.133) at 3/25/2003 9:02:39 AM |
| Guess we still live in a Wintel World! |
| #3 By 2459 (24.170.151.19) at 3/25/2003 10:57:41 AM |
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the software giant has refused to say whether Windows Server 2003 will take advantage of Opteron's 64bit capacities, other than promising support some time after the AMD processor launch and before the next major release of its operating system.
Analysts said the lag in support is probably due to the fact that first-generation Opteron processors have only been available in prototype form for about a year That equates to Microsoft bypasses 64bit Opteron? :-( Microsoft's WinHEC 2003 agenda disputes this claim: http://www.microsoft.com/winhec/sessions03.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/winhec/WinHEC03_DraftAgenda.xls (downloadable Excel format) Tuesday, May 6 3:30pm - 4:30pm Designing for Manageability in a Line of AMD Opteron-based Servers 4:30pm - 5:30pm Technical Details of Microsoft Windows on AMD64 Platforms Also, a search of MSDN for "x86-64" returns documentation, driver development tools, etc. The native debugging tools for AMD64's DDK are currently in beta. http://www.microsoft.com/ddk/debugging/default64bit.asp |
| #4 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 3/25/2003 11:15:35 AM |
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http://www.hp.com/workstations/products/itanium/
Now where or where are the workstations with Opteron? http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_4699,00.html Hmm, oh yeah... AMD hasn't released the processor yet. How can Microsoft release a version of the OS with support for a CPU that isn't released? This story is foolish, anybody complaining about this is foolish. The same thing happened with USB 2.0 support in Windows XP. It didn't ship with the gold release because it hadn't been finalized yet and there wasn't any hardware available on the market to adequately test. But it was available a month or two after release. |
| #5 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 3/25/2003 2:00:07 PM |
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"Just because there is no CPU released, doesnt mean its cant be ready to ship. The CPU is finished, not a single DATE on the OS. "
Well I suppose they could go the Linux route and just keep releasing betas. Somehow I don't think Microsoft customers will stand for that, and they want to insure it's been tested and fully compatible. "Same reason why Linux is in the server room is the same reason AMD will be there." Usually products are chosen for the server room due to technical specifications. Linux is certainly an exception, but I don't think that will work in hardware. The AMD will only succeed there if it's reliable, faster and more cost effective. |
| #6 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 3/25/2003 5:53:38 PM |
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"Scaling out will cost, AMD will reduce cost. I think it will succeed quite well."
It might. We'll see. "As for MS compatibility, yes they will do a hardware compatibiltiy test on it, but don't you think MS have Opterons already in house? I would think so. " Yes, as n4cer already pointed out... they are quite clearly working on it. "What I would like to see however on MS server OS's is more support for COMPUTATIONAL CLUSTERING and not just FAILOVER clustering." I don't see any reason for Microsoft to pursue that, since it's an application level issue not OS related. There also isn't any money to be made doing that. Look at SGI/Cray as an example of that market floundering. Please keep in mind that most of what Linux people trumpet as outstanding successes are simply small niches. |
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