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| Time: 06:37 EST/11:37 GMT | News Source: BBC | Posted By: Bill Roach | ||
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Once upon a time on the net, Netscape was the only decent browser. That was until Microsoft threw its muscle behind Internet Explorer, which went on to become the dominant tool to surf the net. But it is a very wide worldwide web out there, and IE is not the only digital surfboard. If you use an Apple Mac, for example, you can now try Safari. "Mac enthusiasts have been raving about Safari since it first came out," said Jonathan Bennett of the technology site, ZDNet | ||
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| #1 By 1295 (68.14.160.127) at 3/9/2003 10:00:47 AM |
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I don't know if I would call Mozilla 100% compliant... If your picky you can find certain things that are left out from even CSS1.
I do like Mozilla and I haven't had too much time to test the DHTML abilities of its newest release... it is becoming easier to build DHTML applications and not have to dumb it down too much for non IE browsers. And I know that MS has some features not defined by the W3C supported in their browser... but I think those who build Mozilla wouldn't be hurt by taking what IE supports and supporting it themselves. The features MS has added ARE USEFUL and just because a standards body hasn't gotten around to putting it in the "bible" doesn't mean other browsers wouldn't be doing their users a favor by adding support for those features to their applications. There are small things which I understand why Mozilla doesn't "support" or rather tolerate. For example in IE you can pretty much no ever use the "document" object when referencing scripting elements that are members of the document object. I can understand why Mozilla doesn't tolerate that sloppy coding. |
| #2 By 3653 (65.138.8.189) at 3/9/2003 12:27:47 PM |
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game... set... match...
move on |
| #3 By 7650 (65.36.85.123) at 3/9/2003 1:11:49 PM |
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"I designed a browser because I didn't feel that other browsers like Internet Explorer and Netscape were fast enough and they didn't have enough features in them that users would find useful,"
This guy must be a serious nerd if IE can't do everything he needs. I must spend at least 3/4 of my day on the computer and have never found anything lacking. And the Mac version is even better than the Windows version. "Mac enthusiasts have been raving about Safari since it first came out," anddddddd, what's the percentage of mac enthusiasts of computer users as a whole? yeah, I thought so ... :) Sorry, I like talking trash to hard-core apple folks :). |
| #4 By 135 (213.61.245.251) at 3/10/2003 6:57:24 AM |
| Mr. Dee - I doubt it. I think instead Microsoft will make IE for the Mac better. They will make it such a desirable browser that users will question why Apple wastes their time on Safari. |
| #5 By 3465 (65.222.202.173) at 3/10/2003 8:46:31 AM |
| IE still has a ways to go to catch up to Camino and Safari for Mac. |
| #6 By 2960 (156.80.64.132) at 3/10/2003 9:32:43 AM |
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#6,
You _really_ don't understand hard-core Mac Users nor what they want at all :) I haven't been a hard-core Mac User for years now, but even I understand the strong desire to deep-6 IE/Mac. It's really horrible. Safari isn't as feature rich, but for just viewing web pages and downloading files, it's a screamer. In the end, you do what everyone does on every platform. You keep multiple browsers and use the one that fits the job at hand the best. IMHO, IE on the PC ain't so hot. The last good, stable, FAST version of IE on the PC was 5.01. Starting with 5.5 it turned into a slow, buggy, bloated pig and IE6 has done nothing but make it worse than ever. TL |
| #7 By 135 (213.61.245.251) at 3/10/2003 10:30:34 AM |
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I'm confused. IE on the Mac is supposed to be very standards compliant. Why are you knocking it? Is it too slow? Is that all?
As far as on the PC, IE 6 is much better than version 5.01. Again, I cannot fathom what your complaint is. Speed certainly isn't the problem. |
| #8 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 3/10/2003 12:08:57 PM |
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soda, yes, it is horrendously slow. And even though it's standards are strong the way it renders, displays windows is horrible... scrolling frequently causes one line of text to bleed all the way down the page, and it takes about 10 seconds for it to refresh from that... Or just the opposite--you scroll down a page and get nothing but white (even though the page has rendered, that's the odd part) and it takes a manual refresh or many seconds to display... I could name other problems, but these are the ones that I most readily observe and think are most problematic... Speed being number one.
IE used to be a decent little browser, but they haven't done well with OS X development. "They will make it such a desirable browser that users will question why Apple wastes their time on Safari." That I think is really funny. It would only happen in the Mac community probably, but Dave Hyatt is becoming quite the guru/superstar. To consider that he developed tabs and other important elements of Mozilla, moved on to Chimera which quickly became the cult favorite browser, to some Phoenix work, to building Safari from an entirely different base almost in the same amount of time it took for Microsoft to implement text anti-aliasing with a staff of 150... That's a little exaggerated of course, and I see no reason to be a fanboy. But I do like his work though, and it's remarkable what has happened in three or four months from v60, v61, v62, and v64. Nevermind the fact that he blogs amongst the community of standards zealots and responds to every bug they find... I don't see it happening. Especially since the word is the MacBU dumped IE work to focus on MSN. Ha, ha, ha. This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, March 10, 2003 at 16:43. |
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