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NT Not "New Technology" | |
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| Time: 17:39 EST/22:39 GMT | News Source: WinInformant | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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During a trip to Microsoft's Redmond campus this week, I had the opportunity to meet with Mark Lucovsky, one of the original architects of NT. We had a long discussion about the development and evolution of NT, but one of the more fascinating tidbits he revealed was that NT does not, in fact, stand for "New Technology," as documented in books such as "Showstoppers" and "Inside Windows NT." Instead, the name comes from the earliest days of the product's development, when it was targeted at the Intel i860, a RISC processor. In those days, Intel's chip was behind schedule, so Microsoft had to use an i860 emulator called the N10. NT was so named because it worked on the "N-Ten." I'll have much more information from my meetings with Lucovsky and others involved with Windows Server in the days ahead. | ||
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| #1 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 1/24/2003 5:59:01 PM |
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The revelation is fascinating...
PT, did you really not freakin' know this?!! Jesus Christ, the biggest shill doesn't know one of the most apparent facts of Windows Server OS for the past ten years? For crying out loud, no wonder you are so frequently wrong about the most easy to understand issues. |
| #2 By 135 (208.50.206.187) at 1/24/2003 6:33:57 PM |
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jerky boy - Ok, lay off the caffeine.
This post was edited by sodablue on Friday, January 24, 2003 at 18:38. |
| #3 By 2332 (65.221.182.3) at 1/24/2003 7:01:35 PM |
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Hmmm....every book, interview, article... almost everything... has always called it New Technology.
In fact, a very popular dig on Win2k was the fact it said it was built on NT Technology, and people thought that meant New Technology Technology. Sodajerk, can you find me someplace on the net that predates Paul's article that defines NT like this? I mean, I've heard it defined otherwise... like "NeTwork", "Network Technology", , but never as N10. I found only one place that mentions this on the entire net. It's a newsgroup post to comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc that is 179 replies long. This particular post was #26 in the thread. It can be found here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I28B61733 So, Sodajerk... are you telling me that this particular post is what justifies you calling it "one of the most apparent facts of Windows Server OS"? ------------------ Since posting this the first time, I did some more searching, and found 3 more newsgroup posts that mention that NT = N10. Here they are: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=406a6o%24nnd%40sundog.tiac.net http://groups.google.com/groups?q=NT+N10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=4uomtt%246ci%40news.jf.intel.com&rnum=2 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=NT+N10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=5d18va%246qc%40thunder.mgl.ca&rnum=9 So, aparently, there was quite a bit of speculation, but as far as I can tell, Paul's post is either the first or, at most, second time this question has been answered authoritatively. The other posts were speculation. This post was edited by RMD on Friday, January 24, 2003 at 19:06. |
| #4 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 1/24/2003 7:22:03 PM |
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Please, RMD. You've found four references by conducting a poor search, and I'm alone in knowing this?
The best reference is the presentation describing the NT development porject... I forgot who it was presenting and the whole gist of it, but it discussed the team sizes, the code bought from Digital, etc..., etc... It's easy enough to find and no, Paul is not the first. There are several MS documents that clearly state this as fact. Did MS marketing tell you it was New Technology? Yeah--did you really think they added that arbitrary and meaningless appelation on the end of it to mean New Technology? Sucker. They may have wanted it to have that dual meaning but yes, I've known this a long time. |
| #5 By 2459 (24.170.151.14) at 1/24/2003 8:00:17 PM |
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It was Mark Lucovsky.
According to him, NT had the dual meaning of N-Ten and New Technology. http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix-win2000/invitedtalks/lucovsky_html/sld006.htm |
| #6 By 2459 (24.170.151.14) at 1/24/2003 8:02:46 PM |
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Northern Telecom also sued MS over the NT moniker. I forget the specifics, but I think it (resulting licensing fees) was part of the reason they dropped it with Win2k.
Hmm. Maybe there wasn't a suit. So far, I've only found that NT is one of Nortel's registered Trademarks, and MS licensed its use in Windows NT. This post was edited by n4cer on Friday, January 24, 2003 at 20:14. |
| #7 By 2459 (24.170.151.14) at 1/24/2003 8:24:40 PM |
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AFAIK, SJ, there was no code bought from Digital. The presentation even states NT was written from scratch (unless I missed something). Part of the dev team were former DEC engineers.
NT shares a lot of functionality with VMS, but there are also some differences. NT contained technology that was implemented in later versions of VMS. This post was edited by n4cer on Friday, January 24, 2003 at 20:25. |
| #8 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 1/24/2003 9:19:56 PM |
| Dean, perhaps because Byron didn't leave. Or perhaps because internal HR issues aren't for public consumption.. |
| #9 By 3 (62.253.128.6) at 1/24/2003 9:27:59 PM |
| The comment is wrong - I haven't left as such, I am now a just a reviewer which was my own decision, I just don't have an interest in writing or doing Microsoft or Windows news anymore as it does actually bore me which is a real shame, but I guess when you have done it for 5+ years day in day out it would bore anyone. I won't be designing the site anymore either, but that is due to both business and university constraints and again my decision...but i will still be here in forums and posting reviews just no news, exclusives or site updates from me! |
| #10 By 2459 (24.170.151.14) at 1/24/2003 9:28:24 PM |
| Parker, didn't MS have a way to check for multiple data streams? |
| #11 By 10802 (24.201.185.63) at 1/24/2003 9:39:14 PM |
| Parker, that's pretty cool. I had learnt about something like that before. Note that if you try to copy xxx.txt to a non-NTFS volume, Windows XP warns you that extra streaming information will be lost. |
| #12 By 2459 (24.170.151.14) at 1/24/2003 9:45:06 PM |
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I was just about to post that I found the Sysinternals app (includes source, too).
Thanks, Parker. link: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/misc.shtml#Streams This post was edited by n4cer on Friday, January 24, 2003 at 21:45. |
| #13 By 2332 (65.221.182.3) at 1/25/2003 5:37:28 PM |
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#6 - "Please, RMD. You've found four references by conducting a poor search, and I'm alone in knowing this?"
Haha. Ok. If the N10 meaning is so well known, you would figure that just typing "NT stands for N10" at Google would yield plenty of pages about it. But you don't, do you? It returns ZERO LINKS. Similarly, typing "NT means N10" returns 0 hits. The fact is that you attacked Paul simply for the sake of attacking Paul. I'm willing to be that you had absolutely no clue that NT meant N10. Despicable. |
| #14 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 1/25/2003 8:18:37 PM |
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dkg: Chill out.
Eric wasn't contradicting Jagged in any sense of the word, just adding to the conversation. |
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