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| Time: 02:21 EST/07:21 GMT | News Source: PC World | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft recently gave the first public preview of its upcoming Outlook 11 e-mail client software, and several technology managers said they liked what they saw. The features that Microsoft showed off would answer some of the most pressing needs of Outlook users, according to attendees at Microsoft's MEC 2002 conference in Anaheim, California. Outlook 11 is to include a redesigned user interface and new capabilities for threading, sorting, and caching messages when it ships next year, likely in the same time frame as Office 11. | ||
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| #1 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 2:25:31 AM |
| Where are the screenshots? |
| #2 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 2:39:17 AM |
| Where have all the cookies gone? :-) |
| #3 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 2:43:24 AM |
| What? |
| #4 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 2:54:45 AM |
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"Company officials said the module will let Web pages work seamlessly with Outlook so information can be automatically entered from a participating Web site directly into a user's Outlook calendar. "
This seems like a security vulnerability waiting to happen. Aside from that, though, it seems like a really handy idea. |
| #5 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 3:35:13 AM |
| Um, I think the two things are rather unrelated. There is a difference between a newsreader thing, and a website communicating with a desktop app. This seems more along the lines of iCal. |
| #6 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 4:48:51 AM |
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"...automatically entered from a participating Web site directly into a user's Outlook calendar. "
The last word in the quote is calendar. ; - ) |
| #7 By 3339 (67.116.252.114) at 10/15/2002 4:52:30 AM |
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Richard, this has recently taken off big time--I think (I'd appreciate confirm or deny) that it was Mozilla/Netscape that developed the iCal spec, maybe I'm wrong though--I do know it goes back to one of the earliest prooof-of-concepts for RDF (so it probably wasn't Mozilla/Netscape)--similar to vCards, its a standard for Calendar data and is XML... Why wouldn't I want certain calendar data to be compiled by other sources and then subscribe to those sources?--examples would be your favorite sports teams, concert dates of your favorite bands, holidays, you could create your own calendar of family b-days and publish it to your friends... Yeah, you could create these calendars yourself, but that's alot of work and a lot of updating if these calendars were to change... and these aren't going to be available from a central Exchange/Mail server so some web publish/subscribe system is the way to go.
The question is what's XSO? iCal is already the Calendar format for Outlook (just Outlook doesn't do much with it) and is being used by Symbian, Palm, Apple, Mozilla, and who knows who else. So is XSO going to stick with a format that has been around for a few years, is widely accepted, and has just gotten off the ground, or use something else. This post was edited by sodajerk on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 05:05. |
| #8 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:17:57 AM |
| Moz may have been involved in the spec, but I believe it is an open spec. I'll see if I can find the reference. If n is still up, he'll probably beat me to it. |
| #9 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 5:27:53 AM |
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Actually the RFC for iCal lists MS and Lotus.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.txt RDF Working Draft lists as contributors: Tsuyoshi Sakata (DVL), Murray Maloney (Grif), Bob Schloss (IBM), Naohiko URAMOTO (IBM), Bill Roberts (KnowledgeCite) Ron Daniel (LANL), Andrew Layman (Microsoft), Chris McConnell (Microsoft), Jean Paoli (Microsoft), R.V. Guha (Netscape), Ora Lassila (Nokia), Ralph LeVan (OCLC), Eric Miller (OCLC), Misha Wolf (Reuters), Lauren Wood (SoftQuad), Tim Bray (Textuality), Paul Resnick (U. Mich), Tim Berners-Lee (W3C), Dan Connolly (W3C), Jim Miller (W3C), Ralph Swick (W3C) http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-rdf-syntax-971002/ |
| #10 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 5:28:21 AM |
| I just did, lol |
| #11 By 3339 (67.116.252.114) at 10/15/2002 5:31:02 AM |
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Just because it's open doesn't mean Mozilla couldn't have developed it, Bob. But as I said, I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly--it basically came about when they built out composer and the email and calendar apps and the other stuff with Communicator, but was standardized when they rebuilt these apps for Mozilla using XUL... if I'm remembering correctly.
Any ideas on XSO? I started thinking it might just be the publisher/subscriber... Apple uses WebDAV, is DAV built into XP yet? I presume ftp might be able to accomplish it, but would prefer it to be via DAV. |
| #12 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:33:14 AM |
| I meant, that they may have been a contributor, but weren't the sole authors. |
| #13 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:33:31 AM |
| You're awesome, n. |
| #14 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 5:33:38 AM |
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XSO is eXchange Server Objects
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=37819 |
| #15 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:35:03 AM |
| I think WebDAV has been an IIS feature since version 4. That would pose problems for those not using NT, 2k, or XP Pro. |
| #16 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 5:37:53 AM |
| WebDAV was also in Windows ME IIRC. Long time since that beta. |
| #17 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 5:48:17 AM |
| Apparently WebDAV is available from Windows 95 up, but I think some platforms get it as a result of installing IE. I believe ME was the first to support it natively, if not 98SE. |
| #18 By 3339 (67.116.252.114) at 10/15/2002 5:58:20 AM |
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I was just confused about where you were headed.. Not sure what I was thinking about either. It turns out that, whatever the contributions were from others and I'm sure there were many by many people, Frank Dawson is largely responsible for the bulk of the work--not only did he write the original vCard and vCal specs, but he also wrote most of SyncML, and iCal.
Here's his resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~fdawson/resume.html i wasn't able to discern much from the crn article, but it doesn't sound that open. Seems like DAV, SyncML, and iCal will do it all. It'll be interesting to see what's really at stake with XSOs. Yeah, on the server side I wasn't concerned about DAV, but I was wondering who it was available to on the client side. Thanks, guys. |
| #19 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 6:01:07 AM |
| I believe you need to have IE 5.0 or above on the client. |
| #20 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 6:04:23 AM |
| Also supported in Office 2000 and up. |
| #21 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/15/2002 12:00:48 PM |
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Webdav was created by Microsoft in cooperation with Netscape and Novell. Apple had nothing to do with it.
http://ftp.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/webdav/protocol/rfc2518.txt Another example of "Apple Innovation", where the Mac faithful confuse technologies created by others as being created by Apple. |
| #22 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/15/2002 12:34:19 PM |
| whoever said Apple invented DAV, soda? JesusChrist, you are getting paranoid these days!!! |
| #23 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/15/2002 2:09:02 PM |
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sodajerk wrote - "Apple uses WebDAV, is DAV built into XP yet?"
No paranoia involved, just reading your ramblings. |
| #24 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/15/2002 2:18:24 PM |
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Yes, soda, you are a paranoid--did I say they invented it? I said they use it for Calendar publishing and asked if DAV was in the client version of XP so I could understand if the full solution: DAV (publish/subscribe), iCAL (XML open file format) was available to Windows.
What I'm wondering is: if they are staying with iCAL, what's the need for XSO and Exchange in exchanging calendars? I never said Apple invented DAV, I never said Windows is behind MacOS, I never said there's no way Windows has DAV. You are a paranoid, soda. What I do know is Mac has client/server calendar publishing/subscribing NOW without requiring Exchange or some totally new object structure known as XSO--guess what, they are actually using open standards, and they work! Oh my! I wonder if any Communists worked on iCAl and DAV?--if so, we better not use it, the Red Scourge will taint us! How the hell can you read "use" and think "Oh, jerk thinks Apple invented DAV"? I wonder what other words have a completely different meaning than everyone else's in your private paranoid language, soda? This post was edited by sodajerk on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 14:43. |
| #25 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 3:36:59 PM |
| lol @ jerk! "I wonder if any Communists worked on iCAl and DAV?--if so, we better not use it, the Red Scourge will taint us!" Tee hee! |
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