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Users don't want Passport or Liberty | |
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| Time: 10:21 EST/15:21 GMT | News Source: VNUNet | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Identity management systems, such as Microsoft's Passport and the proposed Liberty Alliance standard, are not wanted by most consumers, according to panellists at RSA Security's European conference in Paris. In a round table debate between the two camps, none of the Liberty Alliance representatives could provide any evidence that consumers were interested in signing up to online identity schemes. Although 200 million people use Passport, this is heavily made up of Hotmail customers who are now signed up automatically. | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (156.80.64.132) at 10/10/2002 11:13:20 AM |
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Ditto...
I'll type my name, address, etc... when and where needed, thank you. I don't want this stuff 'stored' away. I'll provide it as needed. TL |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/10/2002 11:27:23 AM |
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"I'll type my name, address, etc... when and where needed, thank you. I don't want this stuff 'stored' away. I'll provide it as needed. "
Ok, so you don't want Liberty or Passport, and you also hate the current way things are done. Do you have any suggestions for how websites could better handle this? |
| #3 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 10/10/2002 11:30:46 AM |
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I don't disagree with the earlier comments, but I do believe Identity Management Systems will allow for a great deal of innovation going forward. These systems will take one more frustration away and make it just that much easier to "get things done".
I view these systems as evolutionary PROGRESS. Not ground-breaking, but still a positive move. |
| #4 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/10/2002 3:08:12 PM |
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JeffChapnet - No, I wasn't referring to cookies. I was referring to your personal data being stored on servers all across the country.
Right now every time you place an order for something online, your name, address, phone number and credit card # get stored in a database. As far as tracking you personally, each and every time you make a purchase with a credit card that transaction is recorded in another database at Visa, Mastercard, Discover or American Express whether it is online or at brick & mortar. The point being, the status quo obviously does not meat the requirements of the anti-Passport crowd, so I want to know what alternatives they offer up in exchange. I'm not necessarily for Passport, I just know the current situation sucks royally. It just seems to me if you are going to complain about something, you should do it from an intelligent viewpoint. Would you disagree? |
| #5 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/10/2002 3:11:55 PM |
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FinancialWiz - "It all starts with MS saying that they are going to enter into someone else's market and investors start selling, which drives down the company's worth making it harder to get capital to invest in operations and R&D. This is exactly what happened to Netscape. Less capital = less R&D = no innovation = MS takes over the market. "
If that was true the same thing would have happened to Quicken, Oracle and a whole slew of other companies. Since it did not, your conclusions are obviously wrong. Try again, this time look at other variables like the fact that Netscape's products sucked whereas Quicken's did not and come up with a new conclusion. |
| #6 By 7650 (128.113.161.177) at 10/10/2002 3:20:44 PM |
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"Users don't want Passport"
I personally like Passport because it makes it convenient to log onto multiple sites with the same login. OK, did they talk to me? No, of course not. I'm sure I'm not the only one on this earth that feels the same way either. |
| #7 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 10/10/2002 3:26:42 PM |
| Quicken is not a company, it's a product... Intuit is the company (which, too, has it's major downsides, if you ever used some of Intuit's services). |
| #8 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 10/10/2002 3:35:40 PM |
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FinancialFiz - "I don't type that stuff in enough for me to need it."
You are missing the point to these systems. Your personal information already resides on MANY systems. You've put some at Amazon, then duplicated it at bestbuy.com, and again at eBay, etc etc etc. Well, you can't possibly remember all those places, and you have NO ability to MANAGE that information. You record it on a site, and then you forget it. With Passport, YOU manage YOUR information. Thats the real value... not that seamless login to multiple sites isn't cool too. |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/10/2002 4:33:08 PM |
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Ah, the personal information storage dilema. Another point that sodablue didn't mention is that not only do many companies store your personal info, but nobody is really looking at what information they can share with third parties. What else? Oh, there are many companies that pay hosting companies to host their sites. This means that the hosting companies also have access to any personal data their servers might contain.
I won't say that I'm for Passport in its current form either, but I also won't say that it might help secure personal data. There is a lot of our personal data around to be found quite easily. |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/10/2002 5:32:11 PM |
| I have had it with the Flash ads that make noise. I've uninstalled Flash! For shame you bad advertisers! |
| #11 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/11/2002 10:59:34 AM |
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RichardJC - "IE took over Netscape because Microsoft started bundling it with the OS."
No, IE didn't gain major marketshare until the release of IE4. Microsoft had began bundling IE with the OS with version 2.0. But what happened with IE4 above and beyond the bundling was two things: #1. Netscape 4.x really sucked #2. Netscape abandoned the browser market So if you look at all of the variables in the equation again we can see that your conclusions are wrong. You are basically saying the reason the car hit the tree was because Sam started his car in the morning, when the reality is the reason the car hit the tree is because Sam forgot to apply the brakes. Yes it's true that Sam did start his car in the morning, but that's irrelevant. |
| #12 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 10/11/2002 5:03:54 PM |
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Richard, as sodablue said, IE was been bundled with the OS for quite some time before it began gaining market share.
When IE3 came out, some people switched, some people stayed with Netscape. When IE4 came out, Netscape had 75% of the market, still... IE4 got above 50% BEFORE it was bundled with any version of Windows... so that means that EVERY SINGLE person who brough IE to the 50% downloaded it. When IE5 came out, it was all over. On the second part of that paragraph, you are talking, once again, about something you clearly have no clue as to what really happened. It was a BETA version of Windows that had the dialog that said something to the effect of, you are not running MSDOS, and thus, Microsoft is not responseable for any problems that may occur (and I can guarentee you that beta testing Windows with DR-DOS was an unsupported configuration for beta testers)... Now, there is not a single thing wrong with that. Microsoft had no control over DR-DOS, and thus, could not gaurentee it to work correctly. |
| #13 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/11/2002 6:31:52 PM |
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FW, your financial analysis in past threads hasn't been too great. Why do you think you can "tear apart" anyone now? especially a clearly knowledgable fellow like sodablue. I'm not saying that I agree with sb in all of his conclusions, but clearly they show that he is an informed individual who thinks through his decisions.
That aside, even if you are correct about Intuit, you haven't discounted his argument. Microsoft has entered Adobe's market before - PhotoDraw, Publisher, PictureIt! (granted these are low end, but still, it is an entry to the market). They have also certainly entered Oracle's market as well as AOL's, Sun's, IBM's, among others. Those companies haven't rolled over and died. They have (and still are) competing. I take issue with your financial/business analysis once again. Are you going to roll over and play dead? or are you going to argue it out like a man? |
| #14 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/13/2002 9:53:41 PM |
| Roll over a play dead. Just what I expected Financial "Whiz". |
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