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| Time: 13:09 EST/18:09 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer will fly to Sydney next month in a bid to shore up the software giant's relationship with Telstra, its biggest local customer. The world's biggest software company stands to lose hundreds of millions of dollars in licence fees as Telstra proceeds with a comprehensive review of its information technology systems. With about 45,000 desktops, Telstra is Microsoft's biggest customer in the southern hemisphere. | ||
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| #1 By 7390 (12.110.198.251) at 10/1/2002 2:29:47 PM |
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"perception is reality" and everyone perceives MS licenses policy as being too costly. Everyone perceives Office as being too pricey. Granted that MS is charging what they think the market will hold. But it makes you wonder if these companies would be exploring alternatives if they thought that MS products were bargains.
just my thoughts. |
| #2 By 1124 (165.170.128.68) at 10/1/2002 2:57:01 PM |
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I think that these guys are just trying to get a better deal. MS would have to give it away before people would stop trying to get a better deal.
I want some of these guys to go ahead and switch and pay later. |
| #3 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/1/2002 3:02:33 PM |
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I don't see how the Commonwealth Bank will save money on software using Citrix--Citrix doesn't change the licensing conditions of the desktop applications. You don't have to pay for anything more than DOS on the client side, but add in the Citrix surcharge and you're right back where you started.
They might save on hardware, deployment, and administration costs, but if they're saving money on their desktop applications, they're probably violating their license agreement terms. |
| #4 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 10/1/2002 3:04:17 PM |
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I wonder if MS has the cahones to try this strategy:
Tell everyone that Linux and OpenOffice, etc are fine products and they welcome the competition. Many people might more seriously consider them and actually try them, and then realize how much they suck and appreciate MS software more. There are many people (even on this site) who bash MS consistently and who have never touched a Mac, and especially Linux or OpenOffice. They read articles on The Register, ZDNet, and Slashdot and just assume Microsoft sucks, but have no point of reference. Once they finally try it and experience it for themselves, then they'll realize the mistake and MS will get a large boon because of it. |
| #5 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 10/1/2002 4:26:04 PM |
| Oh man, the Universal Oracle Nightma-- I mean Installer has to be one of the worst pieces of software ever written. Add to that that it's Java and takes 5 years to start up and initialize and you have a prime example of why Microsoft is where it's at in the market today. |
| #6 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/1/2002 5:05:56 PM |
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The installer in Oracle 8i and 9i is considerably better than that found in 7, however it is still the most convoluted UI design this side of Mars. Their utilities are also similarly inconsistent.
Even so Oracle is still light years ahead of the Linux guys. |
| #7 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/1/2002 7:10:10 PM |
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James, I just installed RedHat Linux 7.3 (workstation install) on a Dell Optiplex (PIII 500, 128 MB RAM) in the past couple of weeks... I must say that it's frustratingly slow to use compared to XP. The OS and applications take quite a long time to start up, and the responsiveness as well as the look and feel are definitely not on par with any of the NT line (including NT 4, IMO...). This is my honest opinion, not just anti-linux nonsense. I was expecting to be surprised at the speed gains that I would see (basing that expectation on all the Linux hype I've heard). I was instead surprised at how sluggish things are. The disk is hashing a lot during any file operation, and it seems to have much more trouble with apps causing sluggish responsiveness of the system than NT. The update procedure is somewhat similar to Windows Update (although not as well-documented... WU provides "More information" a click away, whereas Up2Date provides only basic information...), but it's SLOW (perhaps because RedHat is getting hit with 8.0 downloads? Not sure... but it was super, super slow). Once an app was loaded, it was fine, but switching between apps was often very slow.
As far as good points, the installation process was reasonable; it was friendly enough, although there was a problem with the recognition of the NIC at first. I'm not sure what happened... the NIC didn't work at first, but it did after a reboot. It's much easier than the last time I installed RedHat (6.2, I think...). I also liked Mozilla--it's a very nice browser, although I wouldn't pick it over IE. There were quite a number of apps, but they all have (save for Mozilla) the feel of second-class citizens to what I'm used to on the PC. Ximian Evolution was a disappointment in that I thought it would hook up to our Exchange server... it will, but only if you purchase a connector from them. Hmmm--Outlook comes for free with an Exchange client access license, so you actually spend more for Exchange/Ximian as a mail solution than you do for Exchange/Outlook. Overall, it's not bad for being free, but I could not recommend it for a desktop replacement. Especially in a business setting--the productivity losses aren't worth it. Granted, I realize that familiarity plays a role in this evaluation. However, the poor performance was something that didn't involve my opinion--I could time it. I'm sure that tweaking could be done, but I would expect that a workstation install should perform admirably with applications without modification. It did not. In the end, I was not impressed. |
| #8 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 10/1/2002 11:40:53 PM |
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bluvg - My understanding is it's not worth buying the Ximian Outlook connector. The only thing it does is interact with Outlook Web Access installed on the server, and if you have that then all you really need is Mozilla.
Also I think this is the first time I'm going to agree with RANT. Linux is fast if all you do is command line stuff. X11 was designed really to do nothing more than allow you to open up multiple xterms so you could have four shells all at once. Oh yeah, and run xeyes so you could remember where your mouse cursor was. :) |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/2/2002 1:13:06 AM |
| The installer in 7.x was worse than the 8i installer? That's sick and wrong. I remember downloading and installing SQL Server 2000 Enterprise and importing the schema from a current Oracle 8i release 2 install in less time than the Oracle DBA could install 8i. Couple that with the rediculously slow (I mean Java) tools provided for admining, and I decided that I'd never use Oracle if at all possible. |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/2/2002 4:34:23 AM |
| eangulus, you don't have to upgrade every two years. You have the option to do so, but you are not required to do so. I have a Windows 2000 Server, but I may not upgrade it to Windows .NET Server immediately on release. I can choose when to upgrade. Having the option doesn't mean there is a requirement. |
| #11 By 7390 (165.247.31.134) at 10/2/2002 6:50:50 AM |
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#15 macrosslover and #14 your arguments are flawed!
1. If you cut the price of all MS products in 1/2 people would still pirate it and call it over priced. 2. If the price of blank DVDs were the same as black CDs (virtually free) then people would be pirating DVD at much higher rate. 3. if DVD burners were cheaper and more people had broadband to download the large files, coupled with point #2 then DVDs piracy rate would be sky high. with that said IMHO MS products are a little pricy but any software item in demand that is not free will always be pirated. |
| #12 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/2/2002 7:28:23 AM |
| ditto #18. As a for instance, how many have registered WinZip? |
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