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  Microsoft looks to decipher your scribblings
Time: 08:05 EST/13:05 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Todd Richardson

Microsoft is looking for a better way to make sense of your chicken scratch. The current version of its Tablet PC operating system, which lets computer users control their machines with a pen-like device instead of just a mouse and keyboard, matches people's scrawls against the company's own database of handwriting samples. The idea is to ensure that the unlimited variety of T's that human hands can produce will, in fact, be recognized as T's.

Even though the software, due to appear in devices Nov. 7, can match against the many different types of handwriting in its database, it can't adapt to an individual user's style of writing and learn, for example, that the person never crosses his or her T's. That's been a source of some debate within the company. Chief Software Architect Bill Gates is pushing to let the OS begin to recognize an individual's handwriting quirks and expand the database on that user's machine. But others within Microsoft say such a capability could do more harm than good, and the company would do better to just update the operating system's master database periodically. "There's a big debate about it," Microsoft group vice president Jeff Raikes said. "On the one hand, it seems obvious, (but) there is a question of if you (let users) put new samples into (their) database, are you going to improve the recognition or are you going degrade the recognition?"

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#1 By 415 (68.54.10.120) at 9/26/2002 10:08:39 AM
I agree with Rob. I only add that allowing for bad habits is never a good solution. Sometimes people must be forced to do things the technically correct way.

#2 By 2332 (12.105.69.158) at 9/26/2002 10:18:56 AM
I think devices SHOULD learn handwriting, as it is the only way they will become truly pervasive in the marketplace.

Think about all the hand writing recognition software of the past... (not to mention voice recognition)... why has it so far failed? Primarily because it just wasn't as good as typing the damn stuff in. You had to correct too many mistakes.

If the TabletPC, and devices like it, are to be the market force I hope them to be, they MUST learn from what the user does -- and learn fast! This information should be shared in a global database (if the user lets it, of course), and it will help create an incredibly robust system in a very short period of time.

As far as "portability" of hand writing, the way digital ink works on a TabletPC is that it can be tagged with what it "really" is... in other words, the unicode equivalent of what the user wrote. This means portability isn't an issue.

Bad habits or not... the computer should *always* attempt to adapt to the user, not the other way around.

#3 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/26/2002 10:36:58 AM
I hate JOT. The reason I didn't buy a Palm was because it had lousy handwriting recognition. Transcriber on the PocketPC understands how I write.

#4 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/26/2002 12:12:02 PM
Oh no, I've been here... It's just that my wonderful writings have been hidden by all the new trolls. :)

#5 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 9/26/2002 4:41:47 PM
Rob, Neb, why don't you store this info as separate data for each users' profile? Simple. Most HWR technology does support learning. And in this fashion--i.e. in a separate "dictionary" which can be used in conjunction with the "core" dictionary or not. With each user having their own handwriting profile, there is little logic to the idea that this could impair handwriting recog. Paul T claimed Microsoft's did and I tried on numerous occassions to question him about it. (He refused but was quick to jump on me for finding fault with his article on points where he and Dave Coursey differed.) Well, what's the big deal? You set up a training mode so it isn't necessarily always learning... data is stored in a user's own dictionary so it doesn't interfere with other's or Microsoft's. This is how the Newton worked ten years ago, and how InkWell in Mac OS X works today.

If you work on other computers, big deal, just start a new dictionary with each new computer (and put up with it), or if it's a big thing for you, you should be able to learn how to import your preference file. Isn't this how it is for any app that may have individualized settings for each user?

I simply do not see the drawbacks that people are mentioning. I do see the drwaback of a system that drops the dictionary in order to just string recognized letters together because the dictionary doesn't contain the proper words, but this is a smaller issue that should be resolved easily enough... either expand the dictionary, allow user dictionaries, or drop the dictionary if the word doesn't appear.

So let's see... MS's HWR doesn't learn; apparently, they are admitting that it doesn't work as well as stated; and are recommending users relearn how to write.... Uh, huh. I thought it was the best HRT no matter how you wrote.

btw, Neb--"It seems that Microsoft is prevasive enough that the MS way to write could become the de-facto standard for handwrighting in years to come." That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. I hope it was a joke, but I don't think so. I guess people really don't get how complex, diverse, cogntive human beings are... Or you just would give MS so much credit as to presume that a computer company could eliminate variation in humanity. Talking about a Borg statement of the highest degree! And Pro-Borg at that!

This post was edited by sodajerk on Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 21:58.

#6 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 9/26/2002 5:05:12 PM
People keep saying that if the hand-writting recognition in TabletPC isn't good enough, then it's going to doom it to failure... however, this is very one-sided.

Digital Ink goes much further than hand-writting recognition, just take a look at some of the demo movies they've done at Comdex and such, it really truely is a great technology.

And, again, the TPC recognition software really is quite amazing too... you truely have to use it to understand how nice it is.

#7 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 9/26/2002 5:16:22 PM
Guy, don't get your panties in a bunch, we know what the issue is (MS's HRT doesn't learn), we know ink is more than HRT (but we aren't concerned with the "Ink" medium in this case), and we have used it too.

The simple fact is: it doesn't learn, it's not adaptive... that's pretty silly... That's like having a spellchecker without the ability to add words.

If MS sees it as an issue, then it's an issue. What I don't see is that resolving the issue presents its own complications... it seems to me like they are covering for not allowing it to learn in the first place. Making it seem like it's a new issue, a big "Research Group" type of thing... when it's been a basic part of HRT from its inception.

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