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MSN 8 Asks Users to Pay for Some Online Services | |
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| Time: 16:00 EST/21:00 GMT | News Source: Gartner | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft's decision to move MSN to a partial for-pay model reasonably extends the trend in which content and application providers seek financial legitimacy by countering the popular mid-1990s assertion that information ("content" is the more common term in 2002) "wants to be free." The precipitous decline in competition among Internet information and interaction hubs makes the for-pay business model more defensible than ever — the critical issue here. | ||
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| #1 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 9/21/2002 6:38:20 PM |
| you both have the mark of the beast on you now. Hey, don't you guys have some free software to go write? |
| #2 By 8273 (4.47.67.8) at 9/21/2002 8:21:09 PM |
| #10: Wow, this is great! For a while now I have been using MSN calendar, being able to access my calendar from any computer (Windows, my wireless Pocket PC, and the Linux machine at my friend's house), receiving alerts through messenger, all without paying a monthly fee. But with Mozilla, I will be able to use only one browser (which means I will be allowed to download a 11MB+ calendar client for Windows!!!), I will be able to use my Pocket PC as a paperweight (since Mozilla does not yet run on it), and I get to wait until they actually release it for Mozilla (4 years for the browser, I can wait another 4 for a calendar that will not force me to goto a M$ web site). I am so psyched about this project! |
| #3 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/21/2002 9:04:25 PM |
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#13 I'm with you. Maybe somebody should have told me that the calendar which 've been uisng doesn't really exist.
It's curious for that ABMers like to claim they know what Microsoft customers want or don't want. Also interesting that they claim other companies know what customers want. I don't want what Apple offers. I don't buy it. I want what Microsoft offers. I buy it. I don't want what Mozilla/Netscape/AOL offers, I don't download it or buy it. Hmm, Microsoft gives me just what I want and their competition doesn't. |
| #4 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/21/2002 9:20:09 PM |
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#12 -- Sure, Apple really knows what their users want. That's why they charged them twice for service pack type updates to MacOS X. I didn't know that users liked paying $130 for a service pack that still offers no benefit to many Mac users. Not to mention that some of the things the users paid for should have been in any credible OS from the start.
Also, you may complain about product activation, but Apple should implement something similar considering the number of Mac users that openly admit to pirating Apple's OS. Why are they too cheap to pay $70 more dollars for a 5-user license? This post was edited by n4cer on Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 21:30. |
| #5 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/21/2002 9:57:01 PM |
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You can always rip the DVD on a PC.
WMA/V may not be the standard, but it sure performs better than both MPEG2 or 4. If Lucas is comfortable with increasing the time it takes for them to get there work done, that's their prerogative. This post was edited by n4cer on Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 22:03. |
| #6 By 8273 (4.47.67.8) at 9/21/2002 10:01:52 PM |
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#24 I can use calendar.msn.com without MSN 8, any browser. I am not forced to use Mozilla to read my calendar anywhere. And since it is free, I don't have to spend any money.
Windows Media Player can also play MPEG files, a standard, I'll use WMP. Why should the software that Lucas Films uses determine the software that I use. They create multi-million dollar movies, I don't, I write software. Should I choose Apple to write software because George says that making movies on the Mac is best for his company? Think Different: You will think the way we tell you to think, wether or not our software is best for your use. Install Windows XP, right click the desktop, choose properties, and select the theme. No extra software needed. Sorry Jedi, you have to look at that DVD I made on my PC, it won't work on yours. It was made using a Sony DVD+RW. |
| #7 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 9/21/2002 10:38:49 PM |
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jedi: ACTUALLY, Lucas Arts used to use SGI systems, and decided it was time for an upgrade, and saw that you can get more processing power for less with PC's, so they went that route.
BTW, no one claimed that Windows is made for high-end graphics processing. What I want to know is what is with the recent influx of mindless drones who don't know how to think for themselves and are set on "Micro$oft Sux0rz, Go Linux, Go Apple, go anything but Micro$oft"..... Come on people, why don't you grow the fuck up and come into the real world, and then perhaps you would be able to participate in a conversation w/o making a complete fool of yourself and wasting everybody's time. |
| #8 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/21/2002 11:21:29 PM |
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nom,
Can I use my calendar offline? Yep! I use it on my iPaq and on my laptop and on my desktop. Oh yeah, I can access it on the Internet as well. Can I auction it at eBay? Um, that's sounds like a really stupid thing to do, but, yeah, I could if the need arose. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Exchange server. This is a corporate messaging server. It handles email, contacts, IM, scheduling, etc. It is the most used messaging server - outranking Novell GroupWise, IBM's Lotus Notes, and Oracle's offerings. Guess what the most used client is? It's Outlook in case you couldn't guess. Perhaps corporations chose the best messaging server and client because they are superior to other offerings. |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/21/2002 11:39:24 PM |
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nom,
Interesting. I still don't see what the big deal is. Yipee a few hundred calendars. I assume they auto synch themselves when I'm online or something? In a non corporate setting, a simple email would suffice for me. I'll say this about the article, the author needs to check his facts on a few things. His depiction of what you can do with outlook is not accurate. I also think his enthusiasm is a bit unfounded. Finally, what does running the calendar on a Linux box have to do with anything? |
| #10 By 3653 (67.25.37.158) at 9/21/2002 11:44:41 PM |
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nomdlev - with such a claim, you should show us your URL for this "Tony Westbrook" character.
jedimasterk - take a look at the latest issue of eWeek. There's quite a story in there about Lucas Film buying Windows based servers. No kidding. I hope you all don't want to sync your mozilla calendar with your palm or pocketpc... because you will be OUT OF LUCK. You see, advanced features like that are WORTH paying for, hence they are available via MSN. This post was edited by mooresa56 on Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 23:45. |
| #11 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/21/2002 11:45:21 PM |
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jedi, what things should folks pay for and what should they get for free? Apple charged for two updates to OS X which has been out barely over a year. Microsoft hasn't charged for any updates to Windows XP and even enhances apps - MovieMaker, Messenger, IE, Media Player at no cost.
Apple charges $99/yr for its .mac offering and Microsoft charges for its MSN8 offering. What is the difference? Why should either company provide any services for free. You're comment about those who can afford software is interesting. Is it the fault of the software vendors that they are charging too much? I'd like a Porshe, but I can't afford one. Is that Porshe's fault that I have to buy a cheaper car? Apple uses MPEG4 as its base movie format in the latest Quicktime. Microsoft created its own format which most argue is far superior. Windows Media Player also supports versions of MPEG 4 and has since Media Player 6.4. MPEG4 is the basis for Microsoft's ASF. |
| #12 By 665 (64.126.91.172) at 9/21/2002 11:59:22 PM |
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I'd like to remind everyone about the terms of use, more specifically our policy on using foul language. Here is an excerpt of the ToS and I invite everyone to read full ToS at http://www.activewin.com/terms/index.shtml:
Please remember that the content and news that Active Network, Inc. provides is available to all users. Don't clearly offend users by posting comments and/or messages with sexist, racist, religious, or otherwise obvious defamatory remarks. Also do not use explicit and profane language in our feedback areas. We are not monitoring and removing ever negative comment, bad word, criticism, etc. that is posted. That is ridiculous. But, we will remove anything that we receive a valid complaint about, or other material that obviously doesn't belong in our community because it offends other viewers. Messages containing links, script, or any HTML that is meant to be harmful, distracting, or otherwise uncalled for will be removed. You may not promote a competitor's site in the forums or comments. If you must use profane language, use asterisks. :-) Edited because I forgot to spell check :). This post was edited by ToddAW on Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 00:55. |
| #13 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 12:05:28 AM |
| It's nifty and all, I suppose, but I still don't see what the big deal is. In case you think I'm just anti Apple and pro Microsoft, I really don't see what the big deal is about Microsoft's latest two Windows XP based offerings - Media Center and Tablet PC. I've got a happy home network and I have a happy laptop and iPaq. They suit all the needs I currently have with respect to digital entertainment and for portability. There are some offerings that just don't interest me at all. |
| #14 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 12:52:14 AM |
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The Wired article also mentions that Apple is using an IETF calandering standard (that MS Outlook also is compatible with) called iCalander (RFC 2445-2447).
The question remains -- Why do I need a Mac for this? Apple even took the name of the standard for their app. They never even mentioned that it was open and implementable by anyone. This post was edited by n4cer on Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 00:53. |
| #15 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 2:38:17 AM |
| So you'd rather they'd lose money just because they have money? That makes no sense. Apple has money in the bank, but they charge for .mac. .mac used to be free. Why not place the same demands upon Apple? |
| #16 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:01:35 AM |
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Your langauge, even with "...", is not needed or appreciated.
If you want to use MSN8, then subscribe. If you don't want to pay for it, don't use it. There is no reason that Microsoft should not charge for their product offerings. Reasoning with you isn't worth the trouble. You don't understand business. You understand that you want something, and because you want it, that's how it should be. Um, you're wrong, so stop posting unless you have some wisdom to share. |
| #17 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:07:56 AM |
| Wow! Even the folks at Gartner disagree with you jedi. I don't know who said you were out of training, but I think you should go back to your master and learn a little bit more before being so outspoken. |
| #18 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:08:42 AM |
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Try this on for size. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-866056.html
Steve Jobs got an $83.5 million plane and $7.5 million in stock options. Other Apple execs received $460 to 650 thousand. And again, Apple charges for the once free .mac as well as updates to their OS which was first sold while in a beta quality, feature-lacking state. Plus, if you want to use a PC without using MS, you can. If you want to use a Mac, you have no choice but to go with Apple. Are you blind? and This discussion is going nowhere. Heh, you beat me to it, Bob. :-) This post was edited by n4cer on Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 03:10. |
| #19 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:11:54 AM |
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Is this going to be another late night bash, n4cer?
LOL! |
| #20 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:12:46 AM |
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I hope not. I'm getting sleepy. :-)
One thing to add: Bill G. doesn't even have a personal plane. He has a time-share plane. This post was edited by n4cer on Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 03:14. |
| #21 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:13:56 AM |
| Oh, so, um to what are blind? I never understood that from his posts. I'd like to go to a movie theatre and not pay for it. If I had to pay, I'd like to go to movies in the evening and still pay matinee (sp?) prices. |
| #22 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:15:06 AM |
| Only a timeshare? How horrible! |
| #23 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:16:33 AM |
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If I put each sentence in a separate post, I will catch up to sodablue. He has a monopoly in the 2000+ posts market. I need to give him some competition.
Check out http://www.anetforums.com/posts.aspx?ThreadIndex=11932 It's another pointless argument. This one, though, is even more rediculous than the current thread. |
| #24 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:18:18 AM |
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I believe his argument is that since MS has a lot of money, they can afford to just give away services others charge for. We are blind because we can't see the supposed raw deal we are getting.
GE has a lot of money too. But you don't see them giving away appliances, and very seldom do you see non-commercial TV from them. But it's not really something I worry about. |
| #25 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:18:42 AM |
| You don't want to pay for a web browser? Here's a simple solution. Don't use it! |
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