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Can Apple's Jaguar Break Windows? | |
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| Time: 07:18 EST/12:18 GMT | News Source: NewsFactor | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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According to some, the migration to Jaguar has been marred to a degree by Apple's not having an upgrade pricing path, which means OS X users have to pay full price. Smashing previous sales records for any operating system released by Apple , OS X version 10.2, code-named Jaguar, charged through the 100,000 mark on its recent release as over 50,000 people visited 35 retail stores across the United States to scoop up the new title. Touting the operating system's 150 new features and applications, Apple's Jaguar launch is a major element in the company's "Switch" campaign, started earlier this summer to entice disgruntled Windows users to the Mac side. | ||
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| #1 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/3/2002 8:37:24 AM |
| If MacOS can't run the thousands of dollars of software that I have for Windows, then I along with most people won't be switching any time soon. |
| #2 By 1169 (161.74.55.24) at 9/3/2002 8:47:29 AM |
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I agree with Bob, I have so much invested in windows software that a change would be an economical dissaster for me, yet, I still think about switching, and I will probably have an Apple laptop and increasingly use my PC for games only, why? simple, OSX works, it does what it needs to do as well as Windows, it does it in a more elegant way (aqua beats the pants off luna) and it is fairly fast in terms of performance (as well as being a UNIX core). Give it enough momentum and OSX will become a problem for Bill Gates in the consumer area, I still have problems with programmes on XP, and blue crashes and so on, and most programmes for Windows are still cumbersome and lack the true sophistication of OSX applications (look at Icalendar, the instant message client, the address book and email, which puts Outlook Xpress to shame, Iphoto, Imovie which is a more robust and efficient program that movie maker), and let alone the elegance of the hardware. OSX is what XP should have been.
Still, I own several thousands worth of software for PC and I am not about to trhow it all away! |
| #3 By 7711 (208.9.144.79) at 9/3/2002 9:58:46 AM |
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Just another example of Apple's users (the supposedly more intelligent and more educated) paying more just because it's Apple (Apple users absolutely higher socio-economically). Pay more to get style over substance...trademark Apple. Will Jag break Windows? Doubtful without app support and prices more in line with Windows/PC. This post was edited by jimlat on Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 10:00. |
| #4 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/3/2002 10:51:40 AM |
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"the migration to Jaguar has been marred to a degree by Apple's not having an upgrade pricing path"
Ok, for the 1000th time... Any version of MacOS that someone purchases from Apple is by all intents and purposes an Upgrade. Why? Because you cannot run MacOS on any hardware except that purchased from Apple. |
| #5 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 9/3/2002 11:18:40 AM |
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"There is a reason OS X may appear to crash less than Windows, and it is the real reason Apple will never dent market share. That reason is hardware."
I agree... amazing, then, that it took them this long to produce a less crash-prone OS. ;) But I also think that this is one of Apple's strong points--being able to design the hardware around the software and vice versa. That integration towards a unified whole gives them an advantage in producing something that works slick and easy. Of course, this comes at the cost of reducing your choice (and just plain cost! :). As a side note, I've seen more kernel panics on OS X than blue screens of death with Windows 2000/XP... and I have comparatively very little exposure to OS X. |
| #6 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 9/3/2002 11:46:53 AM |
| The headline should read "100,000 idiots subscribe to the new apple pricing model", where the model is each point upgrade costs as much as a full version. Gosh, these users are dumb. And people dare complain about software assurance? |
| #7 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/3/2002 12:53:07 PM |
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After having used Windows for 12 years and having not used Macs for 9 years, I have stuck with Windows and I'm still able to do everything I've wanted or needed to do.
All I know is that I'm not using Apple and that's all that matters to me. |
| #8 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/3/2002 1:17:01 PM |
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The only Apple product I ever purchased was a monitor stand for a Apple IIc.
I've yet to find anything else Apple makes worth buying. |
| #9 By 2960 (68.100.157.191) at 9/3/2002 3:37:37 PM |
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Bobsmith,
With the exception of Gaming (where it has improved but is still lacking compared to Windows), there is PLENTY of software for MacOS. One thing that a lot of people understand, especially PC users, is that the Mac Software market has historically been mail-order. That is where the vast majority of it is sold. I am able to get whatever I want or need for both my Mac and PC. It's a non-issue. TL |
| #10 By 2960 (68.100.157.191) at 9/3/2002 3:41:21 PM |
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#3/4.
I will whole-heartedly agree that Apple's DESKTOP's are over-priced. That's why I won't buy them. However, Apple is plenty competitive in the home market (I'm talking REAL machines, not stripped-down $799 boxes) and in the Laptop market. The SuperDrive equipped G4 iMac is an excellent value considering what you get with it. Especially the new one with the 17" Landscape LCD. It's really quite awesome :) The iBooks are excellent entry-level Laptops and the G4 PowerBook, when compared to other high-end Laptops from IBM, Toshiba, etc... are also priced competitively. I do agree that the Desktops are not worth the money they charge. TL |
| #11 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 9/3/2002 6:09:49 PM |
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#13, gaming isn't the only exception. There are entire software packages for which there is simply no equivalent (or at least no functional equivalent) on the Mac. And, in a lot of cases where there are offerings for both the Mac and PC, the Mac version often lacks some functionality, is buggier and less supported, and/or is a couple rev's behind, etc. I think this has a lesser affect on the majority of home users, though, who will probably not have trouble finding software to fit their needs.
I agree with you in #14, though--some of the iMacs and Apple laptops offer a pretty good package for the price. I certainly wouldn't turn down a titanium PowerBook. :) As an aside, I wish that the swivel mount on the iMac was a ball-joint rather than a single-axis pivot--it would be nice to move the screen to the side while preserving the viewing angle. |
| #12 By 1169 (212.38.182.251) at 9/4/2002 3:34:25 AM |
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I agree with the reasoning that it is easy for Apple to make everything work, as they control the hardware as well, still, I think it is good competition for the windows market, and healthy.
All I want tis for Microsoft to beging to pay attention to details as Apple does, and truly make the XP interface and advanced interface , it still looks like something done in a rush. I have been doing research on human interaction for the last 10 years, and I have seen a marked difference in how people react to Apple OS (both system 7 onwards to OSX), there is and added sense of comfort and luxury (which users equate with quality) when using OSX, WE may care about architecture and APIs and .net, but the average user, the ones that keep the industry going so we can enjoy the philosophy of programing, etc has a very clear set of expectations when it comes to what they want to see. Users are getting more sophisticated (cars are looking better and better and performing better and better, we could have the chasis of a pinto and the negine of a rolls royce, why bother with the look), device design is catching up, yet windows interfaces are not evolving in that direction, it stills look like the effort of some sensitive enough programmer to do something nice, not an expert on usability and interface design, and at that an artist designingsomething that fits people lifestyle. MY OPINION ONLY |
| #13 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/4/2002 6:00:49 AM |
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#17 I'm not saying I doubt you, but I would say that the perhaps anecdotal evidence of the market contradicts you. If people have "very clear set of expectations ", then why is it that more than 90% of them settle for Windows and fewer than 5% get Macs?
TechLarry (#13) I didn't say that there wasn't software available for Mac. I said "MacOS can't run the thousands of dollars of software that I have for Windows". I can't take my current CD's and DVD's of software for Windows and install it on a Mac can I? Can I install my Windows version of Microsoft Office? Money? MapPoint? VisualStudio .NET? Delphi? etc.? If I can't, then I why would I switch OSes? It would require me to purchase Mac versions of my existing software. Since I already have Windows versions, why should I bother? |
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