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Time:
05:46 EST/10:46 GMT | News Source:
ZDNet |
Posted By: Alex Harris |
Hewlett-Packard is booting Microsoft Office software from its Pavilion line of consumer PCs in favor of software from Corel, as more PC makers consider cheaper Microsoft alternatives.
The deal, announced Monday, marks a significant win for the scrappy Canadian software maker. HP is currently the largest manufacturer of PCs in the world and commands more than half the U.S. retail market.
Under the deal, all Pavilion desktop PCs will ship with Corel's WordPerfect Productivity Pack starting next month. The Productivity Pack is a "productivity suite," similar to Microsoft's Office, that includes the WordPerfect word processing application and the Quattro Pro spreadsheet program. Currently, Pavilion PCs come with a choice of the full version of Office XP or Microsoft's stripped-down consumer alternative, Works.
Corel is discussing possible expansion of the deal with HP, said Steve Houck, executive vice president of strategic relations for Corel, including options for adding WordPerfect to the Presario line of consumer PCs that Hewlett-Packard picked up in the Compaq Computer acquisition.
HP's shift underscores a race among consumer PC makers to cut costs from their software budgets.
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#1 By
1401 (24.74.52.48)
at
8/27/2002 5:59:22 AM
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I think there was a misprint. Did they mean to say 'crappy Canadian software maker'?
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#2 By
1401 (24.74.52.48)
at
8/27/2002 6:00:06 AM
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Who would actually buy an HP computer anyways?
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#3 By
1845 (12.254.162.111)
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8/27/2002 8:40:14 AM
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HP doesn't have more than 50% of the US PC market. If anything HP/Compaq does. Regardless, you made the claim, I'd like to see a reference to back up your claim of HP's market share.
As for Corel, I'd not say that they are a quality software vendor. I'd say they are a struggling software vendor. I'd say that Microsoft has won the Word vs. WordPerfect war. I'd also say that Corel has little more chance of making a comeback as Lotus's AmiPro does.
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#4 By
1845 (12.254.162.111)
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8/27/2002 8:41:56 AM
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Since when is it not free? I downloaded it two weeks ago. I promptly discovered it was a crappy and doesn't touch the hype given it. I've happily returned to Office XP. Anyway, it isn't free anymore?
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#5 By
1124 (165.170.128.66)
at
8/27/2002 8:57:35 AM
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BobSmith,
Just a reminder. HP and Compaq are now one company, so 50% is possible.
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#6 By
1845 (12.254.162.111)
at
8/27/2002 9:08:14 AM
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I know that Ghost. But until the new company has been around for a while it isn't exactly accurate to say that x% of the market has chosen HP if they were really choosing what used to be Compaq. If customers continue to choose products from the combined company, then I'd agree with the number. Compaq and its percentage of the market, never had anything to do with the horrible HP Pavillion product line, so adding Compaq's percentage in an effort to say that the market supports the Pavillion is rather misleading.
Bob670, Microsoft Office XP Professional http://shop.microsoft.com/Referral/ProductInfo.asp?siteID=10869&typeID=1 is $579 Full, $329 Upgrade. WordPerfect Office 2002 Professional is $489 Full, $249 Upgrade http://www3.corel.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=CorelStore/ProductOverview&id=CC1RKIKAEKC. There is a price difference here, but I'd say not much of one. I'd also say that the Microsoft package contains more features and applications and is, as a result, worth more money. All in all, though, I'd say that your comment about "lisencing cost are way out of line and not really even remotely reasonable for home users" is not accurate when you look at the competition's product offering and pricing.
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#7 By
2138 (62.201.89.39)
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8/27/2002 10:40:13 AM
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Firstly, I still think that WordPerfect win hands over on Office XP. If it wasn't Wordperfect; Office would not have any other interface. M$ stole most of their ideas anyhow.
WordPerfect is still the best! Also, Wordperfect does work under XP.
belto...
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#8 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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8/27/2002 10:41:32 AM
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BobSmith - Corel has been offering their software for free for the first year to businesses. Maybe they've given the same deal to HP.
As they say, the first hit of Cocaine is always free. :-)
My question is still "What if I don't want any software bundled with my PC?"
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#9 By
1845 (12.254.162.111)
at
8/27/2002 11:14:39 AM
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Belto, as always you make such wonderful commentary. Care to back up your claims?
Why is WordPerfect Office superior to Office XP?
Which ideas did Microsoft steal from WordPerfect? Novell? Corel? (I'm not sure what version you were referring to, so I thought I'd cover all of WordPerfect's owners.)
WordPerfect is the best at what? Are you referring to WordPerfect vs. Word? Or do you mean the entire suite - WordPerfect vs Word, Paradox vs Access, Quatro Pro vs Excel, nothing vs Outlook, nothing vs FrontPage?
Soda, if you don't want software bundled, then you don't buy from a major OEM. Can't say that I disagree with you in how annoying that is, but that seems to be the only answer.
That is really incredible about Corel's corporate pricing promotion. I'm not sure that I'd compare it to cocaine, though, because most folks who do cocaine enjoy it. My dealings with WordPerfect since it became a Windows product in version 5.2 have been nothing but pain. I've used it up to version 9, then I lost patience and stopped trying.
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#10 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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8/27/2002 11:23:45 AM
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WordPerfect certainly is not a bad product, and I've noticed that the newsgroup support is very good. I don't have as much familiarity with the later versions, but we're using WordPerfect 8 and it has plenty of pecularities and instabilities, many of which I've been told are still present in the latest releases.
#9, the changes in Office XP from Office 2000 are not revolutionary, sure... but do you really want revolutionary changes??? Most corporations don't, for sure--the cost of retraining their users is much more than the licensing costs. They'd much rather have functional "incremental changes." You can't really excuse WordPerfect from "incremental changes" becoming new versions, either... WordPerfect 2002 isn't a great leap over its predecessor. There are lots of little usability changes in Office XP that don't get noticed until you get into particular situations, too (particularly in Excel). You've gotten used to the idea of service packs adding features, rather than fixing bugs. Office XP is not a "bug fix" for Office 2000--both are very solid. No, there are no show-stopper new features (except maybe smart tags, for some companies), but there are loads of smaller improvements that are very nice. I wouldn't necessarily recommend upgrading to Office XP if you're on Office 2000 now, but in no way is this a "service pack at best." Please.
The biggest thing I have against WordPerfect is that it is a pain to maintain. Microsoft Office is far more administrator/IT-friendly. If you're a home user, obviously this most likely is not a concern. I think this HP deal is great, actually--hopefully this will force Microsoft to lower their prices. If nothing else, it heats up (slightly?) a competition that has largely grown cold.
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#11 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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8/27/2002 11:59:31 AM
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consultant - I'm confused. What do you mean by "power user"? There was that local group on NT4, and there are certainly a lot of people who use NT4.
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#12 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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8/27/2002 12:09:58 PM
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Consultant, it's the same on a Windows 2000 server, actually--there's no Power User group. What you do instead is add Domain Users group to the local Power Users group on each machine. That should apply to Windows 2000/XP clients on an NT 4 domain as well. It's easiest if you do this as part of your image.
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#13 By
2960 (156.80.64.120)
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8/27/2002 2:30:50 PM
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#6,
OpenOffice is Free.
STAR Office is not free. At least version 6 isn't.
TL
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#14 By
1845 (12.254.162.111)
at
8/28/2002 2:57:55 AM
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#23 Corel's prices are not all that lower than Microsoft's. I don't see why $329 (the upgrade price) is too expensive. If you, as a consumer, don't fee lit is worth the money, then don't upgrade. Wait a version or two until you think it is worth the price. Office XP introduced some amazing features, namely smart tags and task panes. They dramatically simplify many office tasks as well as enhance the overall user experience. I'm delighted when pasting something from the web or wherever from one document to another and a smart tag asks about formatting and so forth. It makes my life much easier.
As for Consultant, I have know clue what he is talking about. I think the last version of WordPerfect Office that didn't install on NT was version 8.
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#15 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
at
8/28/2002 10:43:25 AM
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I think Consultant was confused as to how to apply permissions. There is no Power Users group on Windows 2000 Server or NT 4 Server (apparently... I haven't been around an NT 4 server in awhile and can't recall, but it sounds the same as W2k Server). This is a local account on the Profession/Workstation version only. Maybe he had never heard the "global groups into local groups" convention for assigning permissions, or maybe he forgot.
WordPerfect 8 works on NT/2000/XP (and it was supported on NT 4), but there are some issues. Some of these same issues aren't resolved in the most recent version, but that's another story.... :)
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