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MSN 8 Asks Users to Pay for Some Online Services | |
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| Time: 16:00 EST/21:00 GMT | News Source: Gartner | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft's decision to move MSN to a partial for-pay model reasonably extends the trend in which content and application providers seek financial legitimacy by countering the popular mid-1990s assertion that information ("content" is the more common term in 2002) "wants to be free." The precipitous decline in competition among Internet information and interaction hubs makes the for-pay business model more defensible than ever — the critical issue here. | ||
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| #151 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:27:49 AM |
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lol
Except when they're deactivated. :-) |
| #152 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:28:59 AM |
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guess there are fools everywhere:
bigbadbill: I have never in all my years as an American seen such a blatant disrespect for the rights blessed upon us by our first amendment (The Freedom of Speech). I wonder what rights he was referring to. The right to post on a board paid for by someone else? Lol! Microsoft isn't the only company guilty of taking away things they own. Lol! |
| #153 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:29:39 AM |
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Except when they're deactivated.
Lol! |
| #154 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:30:50 AM |
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"the Mac community is the most activated. "
Wait a minute. You're forgetting what site your on. This is the most activated site. It's users, therefor, must be the most activated users. This post was edited by BobSmith on Monday, September 23, 2002 at 05:35. |
| #155 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:30:56 AM |
| Sorry if I come across so one sided. I like Macs better than Linux. At least it's a useable alternative. I just think the same anti-MS crap that is killing *nix is also killing the Mac. Especially when combined with anti-PC attitudes. Their need to be so different is severely hurting the potential success of the platform. |
| #156 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:32:45 AM |
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one of the best things about microsoft is that for the most part it doesn't attack its competitors with words or law suits. it just writes code and out does them in business. when was the last keynote where a microsoft ceo attacked oracle or sun? i've never seen a keynote where oracle's ceo or sun's ceo didn't attack microsoft. This post was edited by BobSmith on Monday, September 23, 2002 at 05:33. |
| #157 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:33:25 AM |
| getting late, lots of typos from me. |
| #158 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:39:14 AM |
| I like Bill Gates' speeches. He never needs to directly attack Sun. He just makes a passing comment and let the audience fill in the blank. They always get it right. I think the last time he mentioned them by name was when he was at a UNIX conference promoting an OS called NT when many thought, "This new MS OS has to be a toy. It'll never compete with UNIX". The joke was in relation to Sun's legendary (even then) high prices. It got a laugh even at a UNIX convention because everyone knew it was true (and didn't have the type of jelousy or hatred of MS they do now). |
| #159 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:39:17 AM |
| care to back that up? how microsoft code, in general, affect sun, oracle, or apple? in fact, microsoft has implemented odbc and ole db as well as .net providers for oracle's databases. want to eat your words? |
| #160 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:40:31 AM |
| i wouldn't have laughed back then. when nt was announced i hated microsoft. come to think of it, i hadn't even heard of unix at that time. |
| #161 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:40:40 AM |
| And Sun copied with jdbc jsp, etc. etc. |
| #162 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:43:56 AM |
| indeed they did. i get tense everytime i see the letter "j" in a technical sense. i'm afraid some fool has been blinded by java, the "open" standard. |
| #163 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:44:14 AM |
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Like at the VS.NET launch. He showed a WS-I slide with company names on it. He said,
"And so I think that we'll look back on that milestone, the announcement of WSI, as a very, very important development. At this stage, we've got lots of companies involved, over 50 different companies. If you look up there for your favorite company, you'll see that basically everybody except maybe one company, is up there. I would say it's a quorum of the computer industry, and it's well represented. A lot of nice companies decided to join this organization." :-) Especially funny because Oracle even joined. This post was edited by n4cer on Monday, September 23, 2002 at 05:44. |
| #164 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:47:02 AM |
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Both of those are bull propagated by REAL and Marc Andressen (formally of Netscape)
I'll get proff of the Real incident if I can find it. It was their bad coding that screwed up their player. |
| #165 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:48:28 AM |
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real's mistaken was brought to light in the anti trust case
to say there is an api which just makes code run faster is preposterous. a person that can say that, knows nothing about code. |
| #166 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:49:47 AM |
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http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/1998/7-27g2bug.asp
Last Thursday (7/23/98) during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Rob Glaser, CEO of RealNetworks, made several false and misleading claims regarding how the Windows Media Player allegedly breaks RealNetworks' players. Mr. Glaser alleged that "Windows Media Player disrupts consumers' use" of RealNetworks products. This is untrue. After a day of testing his demonstration case and working hard to understand where the issues reside, Microsoft found that a bug in the beta version of RealNetworks' new G2 software causes the problem demonstrated by Mr. Glaser. Microsoft's conclusions are supported by independent third parties such as PC Magazine which wrote, "Microsoft is right," said Larry Seltzer, technical director of ZD Virtual Labs. "It's completely unjustifiable for RealNetworks to say that Microsoft has changed something that broke the G2 player." Also http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/1998/7-23realnet.asp |
| #167 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:53:41 AM |
| you explain to me what you know about how code is executed (to show you know what you are talking about) then i'll explain why that is utter bs. i should clarify that by saying how code is executed on windows. |
| #168 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:53:45 AM |
| Also, if that were true (about MS code running faster), why does it only hold up when comparing brrowsers or productivity apps? Why do some MS games run slower than similar games from other publishers? Why does id or Epic have no problems making extensible engines that use less resources than some of MS competitors' productivity apps, and have no problems getting nice framerates, etc.? |
| #169 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:57:29 AM |
| Let me add, bad productivity apps. Quickens line of products perform pretty well (as one example). The only ones complaining are the companies that spend more time bashing MS than making working software. One word: Procomp. Just look there for most of the crappy companies like Sun, AOL, Netscape, Novell, RealNetworks, etc. |
| #170 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:57:53 AM |
| lol, the simple answer is that such an api is a lie |
| #171 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 5:58:32 AM |
| ProComp. Grrr, don't get me started! |
| #172 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 5:58:56 AM |
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lol -- #251
You won't find any. especially since they are moving to a totally open (unlike Java), implementable by anyone, standard that is .NET. |
| #173 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 6:01:14 AM |
| if anyone had any evidence of that, it would have been displayed during the anti trust case. i think we can safely say there isn't any. |
| #174 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/23/2002 6:01:16 AM |
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Most (if not all) of the stuff you hear about MS secret coding practices, or intentionally breaking software, stealing code, etc., etc., is just excuses and rumors made up by other companies to cover for their lack of skill or hatred/envy of MS / Bill Gates. This post was edited by n4cer on Monday, September 23, 2002 at 06:01. |
| #175 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/23/2002 6:08:48 AM |
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bill gates envy.
i wonder if that will rank in the psycologists handbook near penis envy? |
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