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Software giant Microsoft Corp. MSFT.O said on Wednesday it would pour more resources into its efforts to carve out a position in the $10 billion video game market rather than cutting its losses and exiting from the venture. Microsoft's Chief Financial Officer John Connors, when asked if the world's number one software maker had an "exit strategy" for the year-old Xbox video game machine, said in a Web cast: "The fallback position is probably to double down and make it successful." | ||
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| #51 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 12:12:03 AM |
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Well, well, well jerk has now asked for my help and blue's to help him. What's next? mfhm becomes an atheist? RMD becomes a priest? I accept a job at Sun? TL starts evangelizing Palladium? Apple produces a product and gives it a reasonable price tag?
Anyway.... Jerk, at least you don't have to argue with mooresa. PS2. From what I remember, jerk's numbers seem familiar. 14 mill PS2's seems insanely low. They were probably close to that when XBOX launched more than a year ago. I've got a headache, and don't think I couldn't handle actually reading this whole thread. If I find some PS2 sales figures, I'll let ya'll know. |
| #52 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 12:20:09 AM |
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FYI, If I were going to FUD, I would do it for the sake of Microsoft not Sony. I just didn't have numbers handy.
I don't feel like finding anything more recent, but these still show they macro is wrong and jerk is right. If you trust Sony.... (and they even have their site done in ASP) http://www.us.playstation.com/news/PressReleases/415014851.asp FOSTER CITY, Calif., May 9, 2002 -- Sony Computer Entertainment Inc., the Tokyo-based parent company of its North American division Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc., announced that as of May 5, 2002, cumulative worldwide shipments of its PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system reached 30 million units. The following is the breakdown: Worldwide PlayStation 2 Shipments by Region, as of May 5, 2002 North America (Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc.) 11.3 million units Japan/Asia (Sony Computer Entertainment Japan) 9.9 million units Europe/PAL (Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Limited) 8.8 million units |
| #53 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 12:23:27 AM |
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I see by looking at my post timestamps that it took me about 8 minutes to find that. In the immortal words of TL "Google is our friend." I'd add to his statement that "Palladium is our friend too", but let's not get this thread any more heated than it is. :-)
Looks like jerk gets another point and macro is down one. As the past has certainly demonstrated jerk and I are far from agreeing on many things, but his comments do seem to be based in reality. Many others I could mention seem to have issues with reality. |
| #54 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 12:48:21 AM |
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It's like watching a poor wittle baby hatchling trying to crack through his shell... but he's still just at the stage where his beak is poking out and there's a hairline crack... Getting a glimpse of the real world through to macross, that is.
Yes, macross, the first years was in many ways a bad year for Sony... they didn't ship well, people waited for the XBox, some had just bought PSOnes, some couldn't explain to their wife why they need one, etc... Kind of a bad year--because it still kicks the crap out of MS's first year considering it could take them 2 years to get to 10 million. Now they are cracking and are cruising to their estimates. They reported 40 million around the first week of October (no, I'm not going to check or provide a link--oops, thanks Bob for the update, sorry for the laziness and the poor retention of time perception from my memory) and they are probably going to crack 50 easily for CHristmas because they so evenly stuck to that projection weeks ago as well. Believe the numbers and see that PS2 has more going for it than what you think. This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, December 06, 2002 at 00:53. |
| #55 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 12:50:11 AM |
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nom - stfu
Others: Here's a little history on PS2 sales PS2 Sales Estimate Drops 27 Jan 2001 http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/ps2salesestimatedrops.shtml "Instead of the 10 million units, which SONY had forecast, 9 million consoles are expected to be shipped by the end of this year." PS2 SALES REACH THE 20 MILLION MARK 10 Oct 2001 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=20064&domain=chs 30 Million Mark 9 May 2002 http://www.us.playstation.com/news/PressReleases/415014851.asp PS2 shipments reach 40 million 19 Sep 2002 http://news.com.com/2100-1040-958600.html?tag=fd_top If you think CNET is biased check out some others: http://www.google.com/search?q=PS2+40+million&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| #56 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 12:53:31 AM |
| If you're contention, macro, was that Sony hasn't sold 40 PS2's, I think now is the time for you to concede. Judging by the words you used to attack jerk, an apology would be in order too. I realize arguing with jerk can be maddening, but, um, he was right, so just imagine how he feels. Oh, and for all of your SHOW ME A LINK complaining, you didn't show Sony's sales figures either. Funny this whole experience took me less time to find than it took you to write all of your anti-jerk posts. I guess you could have been spending your time more productively, eh? |
| #57 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 12:55:32 AM |
| And, Bob, thank you... I had a feeling you could help here. My will is strong, but my heart is weary, you know. I still don't know if macross is quite willing to let the light in yet, though, do you? |
| #58 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:02:16 AM |
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jerk, np.
macro, IIRC jerk said he expects 50 mill PS2's to be sold by the end of 2002. I doubt they'll make it by then, but I'm sure they'll come close. I wouldn't be at all surprised if PS2 sales exceed 50 mill by end of calandar Q1 2003. So, what XBOX and GameCube numbers can I verify for ya'll? |
| #59 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:04:11 AM |
| Rather than editting posts (unless to correct spelling or grammar) why not just make a new post? It would make the thread much easier to follow. |
| #60 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:04:43 AM |
| like I said, macross, 50 million through december. Slow down and read every word and let it sift around in your brain. Your much too excitable. I don't want to know what the back of your pants looks like after tonight. Wooaa, doggy. And what numbers are you asking me to agree to? I'll agree to some numbers. The last numbers I saw they were both slightly below 5 mil with GC in the lead. |
| #61 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:05:23 AM |
| What the heck, let's get triple. With a meager 676 more posts, this would be the longest thread in AW history. |
| #62 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:06:22 AM |
| Darn, jerk beat me to #100. |
| #63 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:07:22 AM |
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Bob, I'll bet you $10 bucks they exceed it this month as planned.
macross, let's get the whole world picture here okay; none of us wants to hear incomplete data from one month or another from one country or another. |
| #64 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:15:21 AM |
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macross, you are truly a freakin dumbass!! You got me laughing again after starting to get my headache back inspite of Bob's brave attempts. You see Bob's timeline, right? In the 3rd quarter they sold 10 mil--the third quarter shouldn't have been a pretty quarter; why wouldn't they sell another 10 mil in the 4th quarter (which includes Christmas, for Jesus's sake--quite literally!). SOLD and SHIPPED two different things??? Come on! No they aren't. It's not like everyone besides Sony is waiting until the box is opened and unwrapped at home before they count the sale, buddy--once it's a sale on the books, it's sold.
I can't believe your back to saying "I'll beleive those numbers when..." and you went off on me about denial. |
| #65 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:17:11 AM |
| Incomplete data as in US doesn't tell me anything. I'm looking at how these things are performing in three distinct markets. Total them up. And you will still have incomplete data--Japan is not Asia. UK is not Europe. US doesn't equal a total. |
| #66 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:19:49 AM |
| If you don't get it, I'm saying I've been pulling more reliable data off the top of my head than what you've been posting link after link too. You do the work this time, do it right, accept the numbers, post the numbers because I don;t like following your stupid crappy links, and I'll tell you if I agree. Until then, you better face reality or do the work for me because you are EXXXHHHHHAAAAUUUUSSSTTTIIINNNGGLLLYYY PAINFUL to try to communicate with. |
| #67 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:22:14 AM |
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you'd have to give me personal data for me to contact you for the bet, jerk. :-)
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4121877.htm "Yet a switch in strategy is overdue. Microsoft had sold only 4 million Xbox units as of June 30, compared with 33 million sales of Sony's PlayStation 2 and more than 4 million sales of Nintendo's GameCube." http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2002/11/11/story2.html 8 Nov 2002 "Since its launch last year, Microsoft has sold nearly 4 million Xboxes, coming in at the low end of its guidance to Wall Street — the company had hoped to sell more than 6 million in its first year." "Since its launch in March 2000, Sony has sold nearly 40 million PlayStation2 consoles and Nintendo has shipped 7 million GameCubes since November 2001. In the second quarter alone, Sony sold 8.3 million PlayStation2 consoles." This site seems to have conservative numbers, but as I read them, they seem to say that PS2 is in first, GameCube is in second, and XBOX is in third. K, GC and XBOX numbers aren't as readily available as PS2 numbers and I'm tired of looking. |
| #68 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:23:32 AM |
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Jesus Christ, macross --- DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL!!
Yes, you are right--dept stores and other outlets are buying 3 million PS2s a month, but they haven't sold a single one. Meanwhile, MS hasn't SOLD more than 5 million yet, but they have a thousand million hundred thousand USERS! Okay! You win. At best--for your sake, let's say 50% of the entire Quarter's sales were not sold--you are still talking about 35,000,000 users. |
| #69 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:25:03 AM |
| Yeah, I'll do it, Bob. We'll wait till it comes time to pay, and we'll agree to it like gentleman now, if that'll do ya? |
| #70 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:29:03 AM |
| I suppose the entire 276,000 XBoxes are on shelfs throughout Tokyo and Kyoto as well? If 5 mill can be hung up in shipments, doesn't that mean it's safe to assume that the XBox has a user base of zero? |
| #71 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:30:28 AM |
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I'm not the betting type, jerk, but good to see that you trust me.
Back to consoles.... For the record, I'd much prefer for XBOX to be outselling PS2 and GameCube. It doesn't have the number of games that PS2 has or the heritage that GameCube has, but it is technologically superior to both of them. Regardless, I think it is good for the industry that Sony and Nintendo have competition. |
| #72 By 3339 (67.116.255.1) at 12/6/2002 1:37:01 AM |
| Dumb ass, my point is you are looking for something to split hair's with because you still cannot take a step forwrd into the real world, here, with us. The numbers are the same--Microsoft is using the same accounting metric as is Sony. I don't need to quibble over what number it is--sellers are buying from Sony in the millions... they are buying from MS in the tens of thousands. |
| #73 By 135 (208.50.206.187) at 12/6/2002 1:37:42 AM |
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Wow, jerky boy really hates the Xbox a lot.
Why are we supposed to care about protectionist markets like Japan? Of course they are going to sell more PS2 and Gamecube. Everybody in Japan knows Japanese products are superior! Besides, it helps when the stores don't give the competing products shelf space. |
| #74 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:39:25 AM |
| If I am deemed a reliable source, I certify that I have exactly one sold, shipped, and installed (whatever the heck that means) XBOX unit. Total worldwide sales, shipments, and installations are at least 1. I've seen, I think 4 in other ppl's homes, but since I wasn't in my home at the time, somebody might have stolen mine, put it in the home where I was about to visit, so I'd think that there were more XBOXen installed than there really were. At any rate, I am sure that at least 1 XBOX unit was sold, shippped, and installed. |
| #75 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/6/2002 1:47:45 AM |
| If you're the bigger man, macro, just concede. Otherwise you condemn yourself with every personal attack on jerk. |
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