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| Time: 16:00 EST/21:00 GMT | News Source: Gartner | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft's decision to move MSN to a partial for-pay model reasonably extends the trend in which content and application providers seek financial legitimacy by countering the popular mid-1990s assertion that information ("content" is the more common term in 2002) "wants to be free." The precipitous decline in competition among Internet information and interaction hubs makes the for-pay business model more defensible than ever — the critical issue here. | ||
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| #651 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/25/2002 6:22:00 PM |
| What's up with the homepage? |
| #652 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/29/2002 1:28:14 AM |
| Well great thread, it looks like your end has come. |
| #653 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/29/2002 8:57:15 AM |
| Yes, end this thread now. |
| #654 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/29/2002 10:05:01 PM |
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The word is loathe, beeyp.
We do have Messenger, but that dosn't build post count. You know, earlier today, you avoided mentioning where you were from because you feared racism, yet here you are showing your ignorance and racism. I am not homosexual, but you appear to be homophobic, or a possibly a repressed homosexual from your comments. I know, I know...You're a troll. Say hi to iJerk for me. :-) |
| #655 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/29/2002 11:08:57 PM |
| I tried, n. I tried to stop earlier today and even not take the last post. Congrats on breaking a 1000. n, do you think he actually read the entire thread? ;-) |
| #656 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/29/2002 11:36:20 PM |
| Who knows. Most trolls have lots of time on their hands. |
| #657 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/30/2002 2:09:16 AM |
| Methinks beeyp is about ripe for banning. |
| #658 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/30/2002 5:09:45 AM |
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I just killed 4 major bugs! It is interesting that the simplist of things can cause such huge errors.
Here is a HUGE SQL Server bug. SQL Server has a few issues with what gets copied during copy operations. In general, database diagrams can't be copied. That's not prohibitive, but really annoying. Also, some properties on fields (default value, identity, sead, increment, etc) are not copied. This can be very prohibitive. SQL Server's lack of copying and my forgetting that it doesn't copy a few table properties for default value and identity caused me all sorts of problems these last two days. This is another exercise chalked up to experience. I'll debug all the faster in the future. :-) |
| #659 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 12:34:08 PM |
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You may want to report a bug.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;FEEDBACK |
| #660 By 2 (24.54.153.247) at 10/30/2002 5:39:52 PM |
| LOL -Is this some backward cult going on???? Do you live in the comments of the old stories! oh good lord it is almost scary... like a poltergeist type thing.. :-) |
| #661 By 2 (24.54.153.247) at 10/30/2002 5:50:09 PM |
| We did ban him. The ban is broken... We are fixing it. |
| #662 By 2 (24.54.153.247) at 10/30/2002 5:52:43 PM |
| Ok, We've banned his IP address! |
| #663 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/30/2002 6:30:01 PM |
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Good work BobStein with the ban.
This is a fun little thread. Since there aren't private threads, I guess this is as close as common users come to having one. If you have a few hours to waste, you should read it some time. ;-) |
| #664 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/1/2002 5:50:28 AM |
| Perhaps we can end it again. This thread has seen me through more than 1600 posts. Wow! |
| #665 By 2 (24.54.153.247) at 11/5/2002 2:43:54 PM |
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We are going to start asking for donations of $1.35 from users. Not required, just asking. We might post 6 times a year, but no more than 12. It is getting hard to pay the bills here. Besides giving a special status, any suggestions for new features, etc. we give specifically to donators? I was thinking, if our goal was met....we would turn off the popups.
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| #666 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/5/2002 10:12:13 PM |
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Hmm. Please don't take this the wrong way...
I'm not sure how I feel about glorifying donators. I guess most folks that donate to causes receive special designation, so I suppose that makes sense. It seems to me that there is a lot more advertising space on the site that is not being used. While it is true that I don't know the companies with which you have contracts, but judging from what I've seen on other sites (MSN, MSNBC, WinInfo, Yahoo!, etc.) there are ads everywhere. Those sites I mentioned almost never have popups, but they have ads in the margins, in the midst of articles, in footers, in headers, etc. I think with a new layout more conducive to ads, there would be less of a need for donations. As for popups, I think that most visitors to this site are savvy enough to kill popups if they don't want them. I think the site is very funtional, but not very visually appealing. The UI is also extremely stagnant. I've been visiting rather regularly for more than a year and in all that time I don't recall that the UI has changed a bit. I think that a more visually appealing site, less stagnant, can still be a site with more screen real estate for advertising. While I'm on my soap box, here are a few more thoughts. I don't know your business. I don't know the expenses nor the income. I don't know who has donated what time to do what things. I have read in posts that several have offered coding services, but I don't know whether you have taken them up on their offers. Obviously Chad (daz) has joined you, but I don't know about any others. Please take my comments as an outsider's perspective. I'm sure if I knew as much as you do about Active Network, I'd likely feel differently. |
| #667 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/5/2002 10:12:27 PM |
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With that said I think there are some things that could be done to improve the site. I have offered more than once to help code features of the site. I've talked about this in posts and in chats. I've never been contacted about it. If my case is similar to others' cases, then perhaps there is a resource pool to help maintain the site that is being ignored or at the very least overlooked. There certainly are security and quality issues for you to deal with here, but since I've not even been asked for a resume, it seems that my offer to help has been blown off.
If revenue is a function of impressions, then more impressions will yeild more revenue. I think there should be an easy way from the site itself to refer friends, colleagues, etc. to the site in general and to an article specifically. Better than that, many ppl take pride in their posts, so being able to send a link to a specific post on a thread right from the site would be quite helpful. I think anything we can do to encourage more people to visit the site and join the community will be beneficial. Member drives, referral drives, or something like that might serve well. Among my tech friends I'm often told that I know so much about what is going on in the industry. I'm not sure that I agree, but if it is true, one reason is that I daily read and discuss news of the tech sector. This site can be a very valuable asset to IT employees. Perhaps some focus on this would help drive new members to sign up or even corporate IT departments to offer aide in the way of subsidizing the site. There would have to be changes for the latter, I'm sure, but I'm just brainstorming here. Notifications (Messenger ones work well, but the visual ones would work well too) would be a dramatic improvement. This would likely cut down impressions, but would also decrease used bandwidth. If I knew that nobody had posted any new responses on a thread since I was last there, there is no need for me to drill into the thread. If a Messenger-esque feature were enabled, then I would have to keep refreshing to see if knew posts were added. Also, I have a web service idea that I submitted to daz, which basically would let me poll the web service to see if there were new posts. These could all serve to decrease bandwidth usage. Along the lines of tapping the resources of the community, I think that perhaps community moderators would serve well. TOU violating comments that I've oft read from beeyp or others bothered me so much that I've oft thought of leaving the site. I can go to "watching microsoft like a hawk" or similar sites for news. I don't need to come here and be insulted. You've said that this isn't a full time job and there is only so much you can do. I suspect that if you carefully laid out what a moderator can do (and should do), then you could find volunteers (yes, I'd do it in a heart beat) to help you moderate the site. Personally, I'm in a very precarious financial position right now. I can easily donate my time to help this site, but money is a much harder thing. I think there are many things that the community of users can do to support the site and I don't think that money is the only one out there. |
| #668 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/5/2002 10:14:28 PM |
| To more directly answer your question, perhaps features like the notifications could be available to donators. Even the oft requested "ignore user comments" feature could be available to donators. I'd bet several users would donate for the sake of one or both of these features. |
| #669 By 2 (24.54.153.247) at 11/5/2002 10:48:05 PM |
| You have mail.. |
| #670 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/6/2002 2:51:47 AM |
| lol, indeed i do. |
| #671 By 2 (24.54.154.185) at 4/28/2003 5:33:00 PM |
| BobSmith - please post again. we miss you. |
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