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| Time: 14:38 EST/19:38 GMT | News Source: News.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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In an about-face, Microsoft said Tuesday that it will reinstate the ability to run Java programs in Windows XP. Microsoft said it would include its own Java software in the Service Pack 1 update to Windows XP due late this summer. In the long term, though, the company plans to remove Java from Windows altogether. The reinstatement is a partial victory for Java inventor and Microsoft rival Sun Microsystems, which in the 1990s had hoped people would use the cross-platform language to write programs capable of running on any computer, regardless of the operating system used by the machine. <%=GetPoll(30)%> | ||
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| #26 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/18/2002 7:56:43 PM |
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"I've always pointed out .." We know what you point out--that's what we are calling bullsh1t, you don't need to mention it again.
"You are free to believe whatever you wish, but please don't try to misrepresent the statistics..." Have any of us interpreted the statistics at all? Mentioned them at all? Despite what you start by saying, it's you who are telling us the meaning of the statistics. "If Microsoft were to ship the Sun JVM with Windows XP, and the Sun JVM turned out to have problems..." Why do you say that? This has happened before--the Flash problem--where'd the fix come from? Not MS, but Macromedia. "then Microsoft would have to issue a security bulletin covering the flaw and solution... therefore such a case would be calculated into my statistics." Would it? Wher is this security bulletin showing up? Not as a Windows vulnerability? Would it be an IE vuln? If so, then it doesn't show up in your counting. "So it's really quite simple, either I count all bulletins, or I don't... " No, it's not--you've admitted before that you are comparing just Windows (one app, an OS) with the Red Hat distro (many, many apps including an OS but many other kinds of apps) |
| #27 By 37 (24.196.75.92) at 6/18/2002 8:44:06 PM |
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Sodajerk,
Let me clarify. I never complained about the pricing of Adobe products. I said if you think Windows is expensive, look at Adobe products. I am not all about touchy feely. I am about calm and rational, non insulting, non name calling conversation. |
| #28 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/18/2002 8:52:05 PM |
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You are complaining about Adobe, Kval, if you can't see that you'll be getting a lot of "insults" down the line from me. It's also insanely specious. That's like saying, "If you think a hot dog from a street vendor is expensive, you should go to the 4 Seasons and have a five course meal." It's simply idiotic. Expense can only be measured against the value of the purchase--if Photoshop makes you money and windows doesn't, Windows is more expensive than anything that Adobe can make.
And Kval because I said I'm not touchy feely, doesn't mean I'm saying you are. To draw that conclusion is to be... well.. self-conscious and touchy feely. Can't you just read words and see them as words! Don't worry they won't hurt you. |
| #29 By 37 (24.196.75.92) at 6/18/2002 9:24:25 PM |
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No, I am not complaining.
I can read words. I also know that conversations can be held without insults or name calling. Everyone can be mature. That's all I am saying. I think it's respectable that you have come to the conclusion that you have about Microsoft and their products/services based on your personal experience as well as your interaction with others. On the other hand, I hope you can respect people that enjoy Microsoft products, have fewer issues with them than you do, and like to see Microsoft succeed. |
| #30 By 135 (66.62.202.211) at 6/18/2002 9:59:24 PM |
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sodajerk - Interesting. I'm only aware of two Flash problems.
One was the buffer overflow issued in May. http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/buf_ovflow_623.htm The other was a cross site scripting issue just released this past week. http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23051 The buffer overflow issue applied to a specific version of Flash, 6.0.x or something like that. Microsoft has never shipped that version, XP comes with Version 5. The cross site scripting issue hasn't had a patch release yet, so it's unclear if you are discussing this one. "you've admitted before that you are comparing just Windows (one app, an OS) with the Red Hat distro" Ahh, and so the lies continue. No, I have admitted just the opposite, in fact. I have used the total number of security bulletins released by both companies. For Microsoft that includes issues relating to SQL Server, IIS, Office, Exchange, Windows, whatever they create. |
| #31 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/19/2002 11:29:45 AM |
| #49 - Good idea, it'll save us both a lot of time. |
| #32 By 2332 (165.247.6.165) at 6/19/2002 12:17:11 PM |
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On a somewhat related and funny note:
www.mlb.com, the official web site of Major League Baseball (the place I go to get my Red Sox scores), has Sun's logo plastered all over it. Pretty much every page has a "Powered by Sun" logo on it. But, if you look closely, they've replaced the "gameday" applet (which allows you to watch play-by-play for games in progress... great when you're at work), with a "gameday" flash app. Yup, and it's a helluva lot better than the old Java one. Not only that, but their forums use ASP as in Microsoft's Active Server Page technology. :-) Ahh... the irony. |
| #33 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/19/2002 4:42:59 PM |
| Maybe they just use Sun servers... Sun has an ASP solution they will sell you for $5 when you buy their servers.... apparently it runs vbscript and so forth. |
| #34 By 61 (65.32.168.97) at 6/20/2002 12:01:24 AM |
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jerk:
You might say that Microsoft is not going to support Java anymore because they can not ensure a good user experiance since they are not able to control the product. Not only that, but Microsoft has their own cross-platform environment now that is in many ways superior, why should they support Java? |
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