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Cutting Prices Won't Save Windows Vista | |
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| Time: 14:56 EST/19:56 GMT | News Source: ExtremeTech | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Microsoft's recent announcement of a price cut for Windows Vista illustrates the desperate position the company is in. By all reasonable accounts Vista has failed and Microsoft is desperately trying to prop it up and put some lipstick on a very nasty and very flawed pig. Unfortunately, it won't work. | ||
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| #26 By 89153 (75.157.154.187) at 3/16/2008 3:04:55 AM |
| Correct NotParkerToo, the EEE with XP should do extremely well but, and it is a huge but, what happens when system builder license availability for XP ends in early '09 and retail availability ends in June '08? Vista, by MS's own admission, is in no way ideal for devices like the EEE leaving OEMs with not much choice for at least 1-1.5 years after XP or until 7 comes out. They'll be forced to install Linux because MS can't provide them with an OS that meets their requirements. That is quite a huge period of time to not have an OS to compete in a market that will no doubt surge by 2009. |
| #27 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 3/16/2008 6:21:06 AM |
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#25: very intersting comments. I rememeber the excitiement before the release of Win95 and it was comparable, no actually it was by far greater than the one preceeding the release of the IPhone.
Out of curiosity what do you find so exciting abut Apple UI? While I am not so impressed by Vista UI myself I really do not like Apple one; for example the big icons on the bottom are terrible. Granted the "Sidebar" in Vista is pathetic compared to its ancestor, at the time (around 2000/2001) called "Sideshow" but honestly I do not see anything particularly exciting about Apple UI so I am interested to hear what turn people on about it. This post was edited by Fritzly on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 11:54. |
| #28 By 3746 (72.12.161.38) at 3/16/2008 7:49:42 AM |
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I didn't realize that a large portion of Microsoft's business was investing in volatile high risk mortgages. The general economy will have it ups and downs as it always does. If the US economy slides into recession then all companies will be effected. These issues will have nothing to do with Vista. If anything MS is in a perfect position to weather any economic storm with no debt and huge amounts of cash on hand. |
| #29 By 3746 (72.12.161.38) at 3/16/2008 7:50:07 AM |
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triple post This post was edited by kaikara on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 07:51. |
| #30 By 3746 (72.12.161.38) at 3/16/2008 7:50:10 AM |
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triple post This post was edited by kaikara on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 07:51. |
| #31 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 3/16/2008 8:48:55 AM |
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#28: it seems that your sense of humour is directly proportional to your knowledge of the basics of economics.
The US economy is in recession, this will affect not only the ability but also the willingness of companies to make investments in every sectors, including buying software and hardware; this will have negative effects on MS too. As for the suppposed MS "huge amounts of cash on hand" I wonder if you are aware of the bid the company made to take over Yahoo; this will leave them with a very low liquidity if any at all. This combined with a lower cash flow, a direct consequence of a stagnating economy, will affect MS. The reason these issues have to do with Vista are two: 1) as above stated a tighter budget means that fewer companies will "upgrade" to the new OS. 2) Again, dealing with a tighter budget lot of companies will use the available resources to upgrade to Windows Server 2008, a much less "problematic" piece software than Vista. Said that I acknowledge that this is just my opinion, which is as good as yours although the former seems to be more in line with the market general consensus. Finally please note that I am not trying to bash Vista; we have already upgraded all our computers to the new OS and, because I do not consider an OS an article of faith and I am a MS shareholder, I would be very happy if everybody upgraded to the new OS and see MS shares raise although, I would add regretfully, I do not think this will happen. This post was edited by Fritzly on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 09:01. |
| #32 By 92283 (64.180.201.131) at 3/16/2008 11:41:55 AM |
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#26 "but, what happens when system builder license availability for XP ends in early '09 and retail availability ends in June '08?"
Microsoft will extend availability. "They'll be forced to install Linux .... " Ha ha ha ha ha ha ... and so on. People want Windows. Not Linux. |
| #33 By 89153 (75.157.154.187) at 3/16/2008 12:31:45 PM |
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Of course people want Windows. But as Microsoft have said time and again, even with that SaveXP campaign by InfoWorld, XP's availability will end by early '09. They have not made any changes or even mentioned making any changes. That's the simple reality. I'm sure OEMs and consumers would love to have Windows on them, but when there is no product from MS that will even work well on it once XP is gone, then what? As I said, by MS's own admission, Vista is not suited for devices like the EEE and OEMs will be forced to install Linux. And, it doesn't help things when your competitor, Linux, especially Ubuntu, is working on a specific version of Linux to run well on devices like the EEE: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile Whereas MS seem to not even care about an optimized version for devices like the EEE until 7 is out. This post was edited by Flint2 on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 12:37. |
| #34 By 3746 (72.12.161.38) at 3/16/2008 2:02:30 PM |
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1. The yahoo deal has not gone through so who knows what will happen there. Even if it does MS makes billions of dollars in cash per quarter. This company just about prints money and it doesn't look like that will stop soon. 2. That the US economy is in a recession. Even though it looks like this is the case it hasn't been declared yet. When it does no one knows how long or deep it will be. Recessions are part of a normal cycle. MS has weathered the storms before and is in a good position to weather this one. Of course a recession will hurt MS's business like it will hurt the general economy. My original comment was not direct at you but Schwit who inferred that things are bad for MS right now and will get worse. The previous quarters earnings show that this is not that case. What happens as the US economy falls into recession is unknowable because their are too many variables. I don't really care to get into a discussion of what may happen. I was just pointing out that a poster wrote something that was factually incorrect. This post was edited by kaikara on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 14:05. |
| #35 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at 3/17/2008 8:31:50 AM |
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Recession? Really?
No. At least some of you I am sure, are old enough to remember real recession and perhaps even the depression. People actually starved to death world-wide. many of them were children. A recession is recorded when there are two, or more consecutive quarters of negative growth. While the U.S. economy has slowed, it continues to grow and not one quarter of negative growth has been recorded. Also note that the U.S. economy is enormous. Even small amounts of growth per quarter dwarf the entire economies of even very large countries. The point here is that percentage matters a great deal. even 1, or 2 percent growth in an economy as large as that of the U.S. is a very big number. If the U.S. wants to sustain growth and restore previously higher levels of it, it will immediately cut capital gains taxes. Each time the U.S. economy has stumbled, cutting capital gains taxes has resulted in a dramatic recovery. The most notable example took place in the 70's. At that time the Democrat U.S. President, Carter, wanted to raise taxes. The Congress soundly rejected that policy and instead cut capital gains from their ridiculous high of 50% down to 28%. The cuts did not go into effect for a couple of years. Too late to help Carter, but in time to fuel the Reagan Revolution. U.S. markets rocketed above 1000 for the first time and are now 12 times that size. Finally, there is too much heat in the U.S. economy for it to slow too much. So long as taxes are kept low and government small, it will continue to be a sound place for people to put their money. To give you an example, in the 2nd qtr of 2007, the growth component of the U.S. economy alone (just the growth component) was two times the entire GDP of China. However "big" one can imagine the U.S. economy to be, it is bigger and it is made up of many complex relationships with global trading partners. *What is needed is very bold leadership. A leader on a real crusade for national energy independence within one decade. The likes of the Apollo effort in the 60's times ten. Since the energy markets are based upon speculation, such a policy would drop oil prices overnight. The real war on terror should have been based around such a policy. It would have obviated any dependence on energy products coming from unstable regions around the world and it would have denied power and influence exercised by the likes of Chavez and Putin, who are now flush with cash.* Don't wish a recession on the U.S. by speaking about it too much. In faith based economies (such as we all have) you can make that happen. And remember, if the U.S. economy gets a head cold, the rest of the planet gets pneumonia. That causes war and creates the false impression that wars are good for the economy. They aren't. |
| #36 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 3/17/2008 9:46:10 AM |
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