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Time:
11:20 EST/16:20 GMT | News Source:
ZDNet |
Posted By: Jonathan Tigner |
One of the most accepted bits of conventional wisdom among pundits as 2007 draws to a close is that the marketplace has rejected Windows Vista in favor of Windows XP. The biggest piece of evidence is Dell’s decision in April 2007, based on a vocal response via its Dell IdeaStorm page, to continue offering Windows XP as an option on some consumer systems. It picked up steam with Microsoft’s announcement in September that it was going to allow its large OEM partners to preinstall Windows XP until June 30, 2008, a five-month extension over the original January 30 cutoff date. (A CNET News report from last April indicates that HP and Lenovo have adopted similar strategies, offering XP as an option on business-class machines but for consumer products.)
Both of those moves got a lot of press, but proof about how either decision has actually played out in the marketplace is, unfortunately, pretty thin. Microsoft doesn’t break out its mix of Windows shipments with this level of detail. OEM computer makers are tight-lipped as well. And if any third-party market research firms have done any studies on this subject, they have yet to publish the results.
But I stumbled on an unexpected source of data that has helped me get a much better picture on what the actual numbers might be like. As it turns out, Dell has published a large database of information about its current inventory for anyone to see, and I was able to sift through it to form some surprising conclusions about the current relationship between XP and Vista in the PC marketplace. The short version: Consumers have embraced Vista overwhelmingly, whereas small business is much more reluctant, preferring XP by a better than 2-to-1 margin.
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#26 By
28801 (71.58.231.46)
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1/4/2008 5:58:21 PM
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Relax tritium. As soon as you mentioned “billions” everyone on this site with an ounce of common sense knew automated tools were involved. You see, latch and sentinel pick over your semantics like buzzards on week-old road kill in an effort to deflect the argument. Yet when their statements are questioned, they suggest it is we who should learn to parse a sentence.
Isn’t it funny how we’re exchanging ideas and experiences about Vista vs. XP usage, and as soon as latch joins in, the conversation degrades into character assassination? He never offers help or a solution to a problem - he just offers criticism of Microsoft and other members of this site.
#23: You never answered the question. Does your company know that you are connecting to their network with a PC running illegal software? If not, I’m sure the BSA would be interested. Just to make myself crystal clear for sentinel, I’m not talking about the Boy Scouts of America.
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#27 By
37047 (99.241.37.218)
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1/4/2008 6:28:54 PM
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#26: Just to make myself crystal clear for sentinel, I’m not talking about the Boy Scouts of America.
Hehehe. Good one. I never would have thought of the Boy Scouts of America. I probably would have asked if you meant the Microsoft BullShit Analyzer (MBSA). Or some made up organization called the "Big Stupid Acronym", or some such. :-)
For the record, if Tritium had indicated that they had analyzed hundreds of billions of packets, I wouldn't have said boo. However, since he clearly said that he "examined" hundreds of billions of packets, that has a different meaning all together. Having something analyzed and then reviewing the analysis report is completely different than examining something. People get lax with language usage, and then crap on others when they call them on what they said. I commented on what Tritium said, not what he may or may not have meant, which though implied, was not actually stated. All of us, myself included at times, need to keep better control of what we are saying, so that our meaning is more clear. It would go a long way toward preventing, or at least reducing, the frequency of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. For the record, so there are no misunderstandings, I freely admit to being as guilty as anyone else here for that sort of thing. But that doesn't mean that I should simply guess at what people are trying to say, and hope I get it right, which I'd invariably get wrong. That is more NotParkerToo and moorsea56's game than mine.
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#28 By
37047 (99.241.37.218)
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1/4/2008 6:39:40 PM
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Tritium: If you have a thin skin, and can't take abuse on a daily basis, then this is definitely not a place for you to hang out. The barbs get sharp, and the rhetoric gets rather nasty much of the time. A thick skin is a definite prerequisite for this place. You just have to take it for the blood sport that it is, and have fun with it. :-)
Sometimes, on a slow news day, if I am bored at the office, I've been known to make a provocative statement or two just to get a rise out of some people, just to generate some back and forth to help pass the day. Lloyd caught on to that at some point, and called me on it, sort of, and would even somewhat play along, or so it seemed to me. It also helps to not take yourself too seriously, and to not expect any particular thread to actually stay on topic, especially if NotParkerToo / NotParker / whatever-the-hell-he's-calling-himself-this-week appears. It's all in good fun.
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#29 By
28801 (71.58.231.46)
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1/4/2008 8:57:41 PM
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#27: "I commented on what Tritium said, not what he may or may not have meant"
For the record, tritium "said" nothing. Presumably he typed his words on this web site then hit "Post"! You should really try to be more accurate in your posts so that your meaning can be more clear.
We rely on a certain amount of common sense from our fellow users on this site when reading our posts. Nitpicky semantic nonsense on a site like this is a waste of time and energy. We're not writing the State of the Union for crying out loud.
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#30 By
60455 (71.12.191.230)
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1/4/2008 9:36:16 PM
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#29 Exactly and thanks.
Let's break some of this down. A user suggested that we had done a lot of testing. That is true and we have and continue to test a great deal. By suggesting that we might have some information that would help.
I offered that and I know, because we have tested and my Dad funded that and created the environment and tools to allow that, what the issues likely were (that influence network performance in Vista).
But rather than build on that and help people, some posters pick nits at the least significant part of the post, and run away with it. That is really a waste of time. If people think about what I posted, read the reference material and use a recommended interface, they are going to have a better experience and at a minimum, understand a bit more about what is going on and why some users have had a less than optimal experience. Information about the WFP matters a lot and we used it and all around it when building the hooks for this community's new site (ironic, I guess). But all that is passed on by... can't have any answers, or solutions now can we...
Some guys then take it so far as to attack my Dad and me (my family) and expect to get a pass. I wish you knew how sad that makes old people... to see how bad off this is all becoming. So many people seeking out the worst in everything and everyone. I think that if people spend their time looking for good things that they will find them and just maybe, some answers to their Vista problems... and Latch, my Dad never "takes his ball and goes home" he just moves to other places to help people. Last I saw him he was fixing a PC for the cleaning lady's son. You have no idea what kind of man he is (obviously).
#28 You make some good points, but I have to balance that against what I know. I only posted to help test some issues the site owners reported and thought I'd provide a real answer at the same time. If I had come here on my own, it would probably be very different. I love to debate, but we do live in a world that is very insulated from harshness. I appreciate your explanation and will remember it if I visit here again. Thank you.
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#31 By
37047 (99.241.37.218)
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1/4/2008 9:40:03 PM
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#26: You see, latch and sentinel pick over your semantics like buzzards on week-old road kill in an effort to deflect the argument. Yet when their statements are questioned, they suggest it is we who should learn to parse a sentence.
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We rely on a certain amount of common sense from our fellow users on this site when reading our posts. Nitpicky semantic nonsense on a site like this is a waste of time and energy.
So, I guess I can interpret that to mean that you think that "do as I say, not as I do" is your "common sense" approach to reading and posting here? Others can nitpick what I write, and you have no problem with it, but I can't nitpick what others write without you getting all defensive? Congratulations. You are the perfect example of a hypocrite.
Edit: Minor edit for clarity.
This post was edited by MysticSentinel on Friday, January 04, 2008 at 21:52.
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#32 By
28801 (71.58.231.46)
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1/5/2008 10:11:23 AM
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#31: There is a difference between asking for clarity and deliberately feigning ignorance to hijack the discussion. Look at your post #19 – talk about a waste of time.
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#33 By
92283 (64.180.196.143)
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1/5/2008 12:25:30 PM
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Tritium, try not to waste too much time arguing with dishonest weasel Asshats like Latch and MysticSentinel.
All civilized discussions will end with you being frusttrated that they've lied or twisted what you say or rewrote the rules.
They lie about what I've said in the past thundreds of times.
They don't use Vista. They are ignorant.
The threads are shorter if you get to the point and just call them Asshats.
This post was edited by NotParkerToo on Saturday, January 05, 2008 at 12:26.
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