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| Time: 15:06 EST/20:06 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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It was a sad day last Friday when I uninstalled Firefox from our terminal servers. At the same time, I upgraded from Internet Explorer 6 to IE 7, which fortunately has most of the spiffy features that we've all grown to love about Firefox (especially tabbed browsing). I had previously been happy to give students the choice of browsers and had even set the default to Firefox, since so many students and staff had adopted the IE alternative (often at my urging). However, our business applications teacher brought a significant problem with Firefox to my attention. | ||
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| #26 By 32132 (142.32.208.234) at 4/17/2007 12:21:41 PM |
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#23 You would think that with 100's of million in bribe money from Google, Firefox could support ActiveX.
#24 We are still struggling with crappy applications forced upon our IT department that use Java. App A needs this copy of the JRE and app A.1 needs this version and the updater sucks and detecting which version is installed is a nightmare. I detest Java from practical experience. ClickOnce works. #25 My guess is that you have zero experience in supporting applications that use Java. I do. |
| #27 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 4/17/2007 12:26:33 PM |
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Heavens to Mergatroid! I agree with NotParker!
I hate Java as well. Almost as bloated as .NET :) TL |
| #28 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 4/17/2007 12:42:43 PM |
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#23, Are the Microsoft nerds working for the users or "the man"?
Both, I hope - as would be appropriate. How else should a team behave? Man, Mystic is in a fiesty mood, today. We both know that protected mode in XP - regardless of browser, would be impractical, or it would be there. I mean, what... Vista, or any new OS was never supposed to ship and Microsoft was just supposed to continue point releases on top of XP? No. As Apple does? No. ...and then we turn about and tell them.... "at some point Microsoft should just ship a new OS as Apple did - making a perhaps painful, but necessary break with the past..." I think we are asking too much. |
| #29 By 2332 (66.92.78.241) at 4/17/2007 1:26:26 PM |
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As several people have pointed out, Java's failure on the desktop had little or nothing to do with Microsoft.
In fact, if Sun hadn't sued Microsoft, Microsoft may have fully adopted Java as a first class platform for Windows programming and .NET may never have happened. But Sun is stupid. See: http://www.robertdowney.com/athought_sunvsms.html Note that I wrote that a very long time ago. (Sometime in early 2003.) |
| #30 By 17996 (131.107.0.105) at 4/17/2007 5:12:10 PM |
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#25 - "Protected Mode in Firefox would be cool. Then it would have another feature that IE 7 doesn't have. Namely, protected mode under XP."
Um, no. Protected mode is built on new security infrastructure in Vista, specifically something called the "mandatory integrity level" (the same thing that UAC is built on). There is nothing like it in XP, and it's not something that an application can add--it requires support from the OS. |
| #31 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 4/17/2007 6:39:01 PM |
| #30: So basically, it is just them using the same API in Vista that IE 7 does. So it is less about creating a new feature, and more just using a feature already existing in Vista, then. Okay. That is a little different than what I understood from the original posting by lketchum. |
| #32 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 4/17/2007 6:52:35 PM |
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#26: As someone who has does development in Java, C#, C++, and a bunch of other languages, then I am going to have to say you are incorrect.
#28: Yeah, I am in a mood today. It was another less than exciting day IT news wise, so I figured some lively discussion was just what the doctor ordered. No matter how argumentative I have to be to get it. :-) As for 'Are the Microsoft nerds working for the users or "the man"?', I would suspect that they are working for the company that is paying them to do what they are told to do. Management is supposed to decide what the users want / should get, and the guys in the trenches just create the functionality that management tells them to create. Welcome to the IT industry, boys and girls. :-) |
| #33 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 4/17/2007 9:02:22 PM |
| #32, Yeah, it was cool. There's plenty to get excited about, but too few stories being written about what is going on and what is possible in Vista. We have some surprises though... some that are specifically designed to show what a hybrid model can do - that people here on Awin will be able to experience first hand and perhaps the best part, a kind of community development that we hope all will find very exciting and fun. |
| #34 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 4/18/2007 5:22:39 PM |
| #32, ah, I guess we can forgive you then for that insufficient proof in #15. :P |
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