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Is Vista Really Bug-Plagued as the NY Times Claims? | |
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| Time: 08:10 EST/13:10 GMT | News Source: BetaNews | Posted By: John Quigley | ||
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Last week's discovery of a non-critical bug affecting the old 32-bit Windows API, which BetaNews reported on at the time, was picked up by The New York Times this morning, although its severity was substantially elevated in the process. Under the headline "Flaws Are Detected in Microsoft's Vista," the message box problem was touted as triggering "an early crisis of confidence in the quality of its Windows Vista operating system." Yet tests of the flaw conducted by BetaNews suggest that, while the bug can crash Windows XP, its roots in the Win32 API dating back to Windows 3.1, coupled with the fact that the source code for the proof-of-concept appears to be straight ANSI C, directly contradict the Times' implication that the bug somehow afflicts Internet Explorer 7.0. | ||
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| #26 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 12/29/2006 11:37:11 AM |
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#24: If you like Rush, check out Porcupine Tree (www.porcupinetree.com)
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| #27 By 21203 (71.237.195.76) at 12/29/2006 2:24:51 PM |
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Latch quotes:
"It is inevitable that Vista will have at least one remote code execution bug, and claims that Vista is MS' "Most secure ever" product are nonsense." "MS' claim about Vista being 'our most secure product ever' is technically true..." Pretty much sums it up for me. Technically, that's all that matters. |
| #28 By 135 (75.73.90.215) at 12/29/2006 3:26:16 PM |
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I don't understand why people don't simply judge Vista on it's merits. It has quite a number of improvements over XP.
Instead, people spend all of their time trashing it by claiming it's still not perfect, as if the status quo is better. |
| #29 By 15406 (74.104.251.89) at 12/29/2006 8:28:36 PM |
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#27: Vista has only had one discovered exploit so far even though hardly anybody is using the OS, so by MS standards it is their most secure product ever.
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| #30 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 12/29/2006 11:30:24 PM |
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"hardly anybody is using the OS"
More visitors to Distrowatch are using Vista than are using RedHat or Mandriva or OpenBSD or NetBSD. http://distrowatch.com/awstats/awstats.DistroWatch.com.osdetail.html |
| #31 By 54556 (71.210.206.252) at 12/30/2006 1:23:18 AM |
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#30 "More visitors to Distrowatch are using Vista than are using RedHat or Mandriva or OpenBSD or NetBSD"
but not Ubuntu or SUSE or Fedora or Debian or unkown/unspecified GNU linuix or OS X or FreeBSD |
| #32 By 37 (68.190.114.234) at 12/30/2006 8:01:15 AM |
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"but not Ubuntu or SUSE or Fedora or Debian or unkown/unspecified GNU linuix or OS X or FreeBSD "
And Vista isn't even available to the general public yet. |
| #33 By 37 (68.190.114.234) at 12/30/2006 8:09:08 AM |
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"#24: If you like Rush, check out Porcupine Tree (www.porcupinetree.com)"
Man, just when I thought you lost all credibility with me, you go and pull this. I just went and checked them out. Very impressive. I LOVE that kind of music, and I really like all the sample stuff I listened to. You just cost me $27.00 ordering Deadwing and Stupid Dream at Amazon! Thanks for the recommendation! |
| #34 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 12/30/2006 1:11:42 PM |
| #33: Congratulations! You just purchased two of their best albums. I like them all, personally, but if I were to recommend two of them, then Deadwing and Stupid Dream would be it. I would also recommend Up the Downstair / Staircase Infinities as well, which is a double album. You might be able to purchase some of the albums at a local music store. It is worth checking out, so you don't have the long wait for Burning Shed to ship them. |
| #35 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 12/30/2006 1:18:33 PM |
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#30: Even Windows 98 is showing more hits for Distrowatch. As is Windows 2003, Windows XP, and even Windows 2000.
I think you just proved better than Latch or myself ever could just how stupid you'll get to try to use lame statistics to prove your point, even when the lameness of them is IOTTMCO once anyone actually looks at the links you foolishly provide. I'm surprised you didn't mention that Vista was more popular than Windows 3.1 and Windows NT, based on the access stats of this one site. |
| #36 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 12/30/2006 6:00:05 PM |
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#35 I thought it was a fun fact that Vista is doing so well on DistroWatch before its release to the general public.
But I didn't expect the bonus of your moronic comment! Ho ho ho! |
| #37 By 860 (71.207.193.106) at 12/31/2006 11:54:10 AM |
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For me, it's not about whether or not Vista has security holes. Every software product, be is OS X, Linux, Windows or applications that run on top of them - they will have security holes. They have security holes because they are written by humans. Humans make mistakes. Perhaps when computers can write their own code, we'll start to see more of these problems disappear... but then again, who would want that?
Anyway, the choice to NOT use Vista boils down to DRM that is baked into the system and the WGA. The whole thing has given me the willies - that they definitely are watching what you do, up to the minute. I'm just not comfortable with it any more and refuse to accept it. That's why my personal choice is to stay away from Vista and future MS products. |
| #38 By 15406 (74.104.251.89) at 1/1/2007 12:29:33 PM |
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#33: IMHO, 'In Absentia' is probably PT's best album, but DW and SD join it as their 3 best. Start with those 3 and then attack their back-catalog. And, as MS said, you could find some of these at your local record store to save on time & shipping, or they could at least special order it for you.
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| #39 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 1/1/2007 6:29:08 PM |
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Forget about Vista's security holes. Some of the "features" are far more frightening, and more dangerous.
Read http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt for more information on Vista's DRM nightmare. |
| #40 By 2459 (69.22.113.215) at 1/2/2007 9:26:25 PM |
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#39, The most frightening thing about Vista's features is the number of people making uninformed judgements about them and spreading misinformation. Luckily Larry Osterman already refuted that article so I don't have to:
He's absolutely sharp. No question. He's also absolutely wrong. Here's what happens (more or less). When a playback application wishes to render high quality content, it asks the system what the capabilities of the output rendering path are. The OS tells it things like "All the drivers on the system are signed", or "The video is going over an HDMI connection", "All the code running in the rendering path is running in the protected environment (and thus contains no unsigned 3rd party code)", etc. The playback application than uses that information to make decisions on how to play back the content. It might decide it's ok to play the content. It might refuse to play the content. It might decide to downgrade the content. All these choices are up to the PLAYBACK APPLICATION. They're NOT built into the OS. All the OS does is to provide services to the playback application that it can use to make decisions. http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=269369#269369 Also: Since Sony won't license a SACD drive in a form factor that can be installed in a PC, I suspect that Peter's entire argument is a straw-man. You can't play back SACD's on Vista because you can't play back SACD's on ANY PC form factor device. http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=269372#269372 |
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