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  Elections in cyberspace
Time: 16:33 EST/21:33 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Brian Kvalheim

<%=GetPoll(79)%> WASHINGTON — Imagine casting a vote for U.S. president from a cybercafe in Thailand, an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf or a laptop computer at home. Thousands of people serving in the military and Americans living abroad will have that option next year in the nation's most extensive Internet voting experiment, viewed by some as a step toward elections in cyberspace.

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#26 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/14/2003 11:31:13 PM
#26: Ah, once again we see that when Soda is confronted with facts, he says just to "ignore" them.

Do you deny that Yah Lin 'Charlie' Trie was granted high-level Pentagon access even months after his diplomatic visa was ended?

Do you deny that Wen Ho Lee was granted similar access in Los Alamos and that Janet Reno and Louis Freeh hid or purposesly ignored documents of evidence stating as such?

Do you deny that high ranking Lippo Group members were sold stays in the Lincoln Bedroom and given illegal coffee fundraising events in the Whitehouse?

Do you deny that Al Gore made campaign calls to Lippo Group and other Chinese nationals from his office in his office and in the White House illegally?

Really soda. For claiming to clobber me with nothing in debates, you really do have to IGNORE a lot of facts.

Do you deny any of those quotes?

(edit: fixed a couple typos)

This post was edited by daz on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 23:34.

#27 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/14/2003 11:33:57 PM
it's sad that Soda talks about "trashing" and 'knock down" when he really does nothing. he misquotes me, ignores entire, important sections of my posts and also IGNORES MAJOR FACTS of every argument and routinely posts links supporting or event emboldening my claims of fact.

Thank you Soda for proving why liberals are caustic for a truthful debating society and why they have caused much of the downfall and disrespect of our political system.

I have cited major key facts, all documented and most matters of Grand Jury testimony of key Clinton officials who were investigated from said affairs.

but still you close your eyes and put your fingers in your ears. It's pretty sad. I think it's obvious who really knows what's going on and who just listens to NPR and Dan Rather for their sole source of news.

#28 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 7/14/2003 11:36:00 PM
dkg_ctc, you know thats why the demos like the motor-voter bill. Its not about convenience, its about signing up as many demos as possible. And thats also why they prefer to have the borders as open as possible. As long as >50% of first-gen immigrants vote democrat... they will support transparent borders.

#29 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 7/14/2003 11:45:11 PM
#30: It also makes it easier for illegal immigrants to vote which his how the democrats get most of their votes in elections. Don't believe me? Look at the past 4 elections.

There have been numerous investigations into Democratic voter fraud including:

- Illegal aliens
- Bussing homeless people around from precinct to precint to vote repeatedly
- Offering homeless people cigarettes and booze to vote Democrat
- Dead people
- non-registered and felons voting

http://www.mises.org/fullarticle.asp?record=554&month=26
http://newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2002/7/3/180122
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Daley
http://www.jsonline.com/election2000/nov00/chicago11111000.asp

Miami Herald reported that at LEAST 450 felons voted for Democrats in the 2000 election (can't find the link, but have found numerous references to it)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/854aamhq.asp
(3rd paragraph)

http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/nov00/vote-edit112900.asp
(5th paragraph)


This post was edited by daz on Monday, July 14, 2003 at 23:48.

#30 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/15/2003 12:18:50 AM
Ahh, won't it be nice when we have a President who heeds the call of duty instead of a coward who runs and hides to an undisclosed location?

http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2003/030801_mfe_clark_1.html
In August 1995, the general—three stars, working as J-5 for the Joint Chiefs—went to Bosnia as part of the negotiating team Ambassador Richard Holbrooke had put together to end the civil war that had resulted in the massacre of as many as eight thousand Muslim men and boys at the town of Srebrenica the month before. In Belgrade, Clark had met for the first time Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic, who was sponsoring the Bosnian Serbs. Now the team had to travel to Sarajevo. Told that the airport in Sarajevo was too dangerous to fly into, the team decided to drive and asked Milosevic to guarantee its safety on a road held by Bosnian Serbs. Milosevic did not, and so the team wound up taking a fortified Humvee and an armored personnel carrier on a pitched, narrow, winding mountain road notoriously vulnerable to Serb machine-gun fire. Clark and Holbrooke went in the Humvee, the rest in the APC. In his book, the general describes what happened this way: "At the end of the first week we had a tragic accident on Mount Igman, near Sarajevo. [Three members of the team] were killed when the French armored personnel carrier in which they were riding broke through the shoulder of the road and tumbled several hundred meters down a steep hillside."

It is not until one reads Holbrooke's book, To End a War, that one finds out that after the APC went off the road, Clark grabbed a rope, anchored it to a tree stump, and rappelled down the mountainside after it, despite the gunfire that the explosion of the APC set off, despite the warnings that the mountainside was heavily mined, despite the rain and the mud, and despite Holbrooke yelling that he couldn't go. It is not until one brings the incident up to the general that one finds out that the burning APC had turned into a kiln, and that Clark stayed with it and aided in the extraction of the bodies; it is not until one meets Wesley Clark that one understands the degree to which he held Milosevic accountable.


http://www.draftwesleyclark.com

#31 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/15/2003 12:30:11 AM
daz - "it's sad that Soda talks about "trashing" and 'knock down" when he really does nothing. he misquotes me, ignores entire, important sections of my posts and also IGNORES MAJOR FACTS of every argument and routinely posts links supporting or event emboldening my claims of fact. "

You mean like claiming that Foster guy made a slew of racial slurs and other horrible insults, as if this somehow justified a 30 second diatribe against homosexuals and other imaginary villians?

When the facts, as evidenced by recordings of the call and numerous interviews including even evidence presented by Savage himself, were he simply said the guy had bad teeth and should go to a dentist.

Oh yeah, but you weren't defending Savage. You were just repeating lies to try to discredit his "opponents", despite the fact that Savage had no opponents, he hung himself in reaction to a prank caller.

No, daz... I'm not the one who IGNORES MAJOR FACTS. LMAO!

That doesn't even address your claim that Whitewater was a Liberal Media Conspiracy to distract the public from Clinton handing America over to the Chinese. Man, I gotta give you credit on that one, that's the first time I've ever heard that story and man I've heard everything else from Contrails to Iraq helping McVeigh in '95, to TWA 800 being shot down by the US military and the '93 bombing of the WTC being a small nuclear device. I've heard nearly all the crazy lunatic conspiracy theories out there, and I never heard that one. WOW!

What you think are facts are little green men sitting on your shoulder talking to you. Most rational people by this point would realize they need mental health care.

#32 By 1658 (12.206.189.93) at 7/15/2003 4:35:43 AM
Oh christing hell would I love to join you on a political forum Daz and rip nearly everything you just said to shreds. The number of blunders your oh worshipful monkey-snot has performed in far less time than Clinton was in office is just staggering.

But... since Pixel seems to be determing exactly what can and cannot be said in an OPEN FORUM on a publicly available website, I'll refrain.

Yawn.

This post was edited by aamendala on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 04:40.

#33 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 7/15/2003 4:45:35 AM
Well I'm all for online voting! We have to vote here, so I may as well do it from the comfort of wherever I happen to be that day.

#34 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 7/15/2003 10:01:08 AM
Clinton obviously has a lot of enemies.

So I ask; if Clinton did even one of the countless evil things he has been accused of, why has not a single charge ever been successfully brought to fruition in a court of law? Why has not a single one of Clinton's many enemies been able to come up with any evidence that could withstand a jury, or even any kind of peer review what so ever?

Clinton haters are much like UFO believers. They're absolutely sure that Clinton did all these things, even though there is no evidence.

I highly recommend those of you who are consumed with your hate for Clinton take a look at "Blinded by the Right" by David Brock. (Author of "The Real Anita Hill", a right-wing favorite.) I'm sure Democrats are guilty of many of the same things, but perhaps reading what right-winger's did to try and "get" Clinton will open your eyes to how silly you all really sound.

#35 By 12071 (203.217.72.185) at 7/15/2003 10:52:36 AM
#36 So you don't believe in UFO's then?

#36 By 2332 (216.41.45.78) at 7/15/2003 11:57:49 AM
#37 - Hehe. No, I don't believe that alien beings are visiting us. At least, there is no evidence of this as of yet.

I do hope there is other life, especially intelligent life, in the universe, but I don't see any hard evidence of that yet either.

The odds seem to be in life's favor, but we simply don't know enough about molecular biology to determine exactly what the odds are.

#37 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 7/15/2003 2:46:36 PM
parker - "I'm pretty sure Clinton was "convicted" by the House of perjury and obstruction of justice. "

You would, of course, be wrong. The House can't convict, they can only indict. The Senate acquited him of the charges, i.e. they found him not-guilty. By a pretty signifigant margin since the Constitution requires a 2/3rds majority and they didn't even gain a simple majority.

It seems we have yet another example of you simply not understanding the American governmental system.

"And sodablue, I love it when you run away from a fight. It amuses me to watch you humiliate yourself. "

I don't run away from fights. It's just the stupidity that you, daz and mooresa56 spew forth with your goofy conspiracy theories infuriates me. I have to walk away or I become consumed with proving you wrong. This means research on my part, spending 2-3 hours pulling queries off the Internet finding the facts that show your position to be unsupportable.

I understand that you guys don't care about the issues enough to wish to put that much time into understanding them so you can argue from a position of intelligence, but I do. I also realize that these debates really don't make a hill full of beans difference, and as such are basically unimportant. There are other priorities in my life that should come first. That 2-3 hours could be spent better understanding tuning SQL queries or object design patterns or something relating to my career.

So please don't make a mistake in thinking that I am running away from a fight, I am merely making a decision that your opinions are of little consequence.

It's likely over the next several weeks that my thrashings of daz will amount to nothing more than quotes from Wesley Clark's book. The more I get into this, the more I am enthralled at how apolitical it is in it's analysis of the evolution of the US military and it's mission in Kosovo and how absolutely appealing that is compared to the partisanship that you espouse.


This post was edited by sodablue on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:48.

#38 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 7/15/2003 2:56:30 PM
BTW. So last week after Pat Robertson accused Bush of undermining a legitimate Christian leader in Liberia... this week he's pressing all God Fearing Republicans to pray that 3 of the justices on the Supreme Court be taken away from Earth by God's hand.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/939152.asp

I heard a rumor that even Satan is distancing himself from his previous support of Pat Robertson.

#39 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 7/15/2003 10:25:43 PM
parker - "As you usually do when you are getting your butt handed to you on a platter. "

Amusing, but how can that be when daz seems incapable of formulating a credible argument?

"Personally, I like the guy ok. But Kosovo and everything around it was not NATO's finest hour. "

I encourage you to read "Waging Modern Warfare" to get a better appreciation for the success it was.

#40 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 7/15/2003 10:41:01 PM
#39 - "I'm pretty sure Clinton was "convicted" by the House of perjury and obstruction of justice."

You honestly consider a partisan-soaked battle in the House the same as a conviction in a court of law?

Hardly.

Ignoring all the partisanship, an impeachment "trial" has little to no rules of evidence. Pretty much anything goes, and for the most part, people have their minds made up long before the "trial" even begins.

#41 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 7/16/2003 12:04:09 AM
forget whether or not the House or Senate convicted clinton. The American people convicted him... materializing in his buddy al gore 1) distancing himself from clinton 2) losing his home state of Tennessee 3) losing the election

#42 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 7/16/2003 1:54:59 AM
mooresa56 - "The American people convicted him"

Haha... is that why Clinton's approval rating was over 60% when he left the Oval Office?

Give me a break. Gore lost because he is GORE. He doesn't need help from anybody to lose an election.

Oh, and by the way, he didn't lose the popular vote, which would be a better indicator of who the "American people" wanted.

#43 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 7/16/2003 1:58:59 AM
What am I saying?! Who the hell cares what the "American people" think? The "American people" are sheep that think what you tell them to think.

Most Americans believe that astrology is a science and that creationism should be tought in schools along side with evolution.

Sorry, I'll be placing my confidence elsewhere.

For more funny stats that will make you suicidal:

http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/misc/demise.html

#44 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 7/16/2003 9:03:21 PM
RMD, in one sentence you practically brag that Gore won the popular vote. In the next sentence, you call the people sheep. So, basically you are saying that the sheep voted democrat... but by the grace of God (and the electoral college)... we managed to survive and not make a mistake of a gore presidency.

#45 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 7/16/2003 9:05:56 PM
Its very interesting that democrats linked Bush Sr's presidential win with his participation in Reagan's administration. Yet, for gore... the same doesn't hold true.

Seems like another example of insincere democratic historical revision.

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