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| Time: 13:50 EST/18:50 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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"It’s been a while since we had a discussion about Windows & Mac users hasn’t it? Ok well I guess it hasn’t as every Mac or Windows news site under the sun seems to be running some sort of “Mine is better than yours” argument each day. I guess the question still remains, which one is best? Or is there even a “best OS” out there?" | ||
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| #26 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 5/9/2003 2:09:57 AM |
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I'm surprised the article got posted in so many places, you were right it was kind of flamebait, more so in trying to get a good discussion going by pointing out that it doens't actually matter what OS you use as long as you are happy with it. Sorry about all of the writing errors though, and thats purely my fault as I wrote the article directly into our news engine without bothering to check it as it was just to fill up content on a new site that won't launch for a few weeks.
It is pretty clear though that discussion doesn't seem to happen properly anywhere no matter where the article got posted. As for people who keep saying they don't care what PC I use or anyone else uses, e-mails to me today from various people certainly make out a bitterness against someone who switched! |
| #27 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 5/9/2003 2:11:07 AM |
| #26 - I wrote that both Mac's and Windows crash, yes Windows crashes more than a Mac does but not a great deal more. |
| #28 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 5/9/2003 2:12:21 AM |
| #28 - Every article we get on OS News gets 60+ flames usually hehe |
| #29 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 5/9/2003 7:44:42 AM |
| #25 - now now, never go looking for logic on these comment boards |
| #30 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/9/2003 10:00:43 AM |
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Sodajerk...
Let's do some parsing: "But honestly no one cares what kind of computer you use" --therefore, someone else's opinion shouldn't bother you, cause concern, or raise comment... Wait, wouldn't that also apply, then, to Byron's article in the first place since he said "I don’t personally care what everyone else uses"???? Obviously he raised comment, and with much greater reach. Nice logic, that which only applies in one direction. As for MUSIC and other such topics, the debate is not nearly as cut-and-dried as many Mac fanatics think or are even willing to believe. For example, Gigastudio? Only available for PC. (http://www.nemesysmusic.com/pdf/giga-in-a-mac-world.pdf) "GigaStudio functions at the kernel level of the Windows operating system, and its cutting edge performance capabilities are largely due to this engineering fact of life." "I can count on one hand how many times their systems have crashed, and these things get left on and pounded all day long." "They would rather bring in a couple of PC’s running Giga than try to push something that can’t deliver the same level of performance." And don't try to tell me that GigaStudio isn't a huge music app out there.... I feel like Homer saying to Marge, "Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?" This post was edited by bluvg on Friday, May 09, 2003 at 10:02. |
| #31 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/9/2003 10:46:22 AM |
| I was going to mention about the defragmenter... this statement is just plain false. As someone else noted, any file system will become fragmented over time. Swap partition or no (which can easily be done on the PC as well...), it doesn't matter. Swap is for virtual memory, not for writing files, and is somewhat irrelevant to the fragmentation issue. Even then, both the swap partition and the rest can get fragmented. Swap partitions can sometimes be a performance detriment depending on the location on the drive relative to the current application (the length the drive head has to travel). The best situation performance-wise is to put the swap on another drive or array (and yes, you can easily do this in Windows), but this has little to do with fragmentation. |
| #32 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 5/9/2003 11:00:17 AM |
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bluvg - "The best situation performance-wise is to put the swap on another drive or array (and yes, you can easily do this in Windows), but this has little to do with fragmentation. "
Naw, the best solution is to get more RAM! |
| #33 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/9/2003 11:14:28 AM |
| True, true, of course. Swapless--what a wonderful world it would be.... Glad to hear that both Mac and PC have 64 bit solutions on the way! |
| #34 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 5/9/2003 11:40:36 AM |
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Part 2 is up
http://toptechtipsnet.powweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=127&mode=&order=0&thold=0 |
| #35 By 8589 (65.64.202.68) at 5/9/2003 1:09:35 PM |
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My decision to purchase an OS has to do with the software written for it. Go into any Best Buy, Fry's, CompUSA, or any major Computer store, and over 90% of the software on the shelves is for the PC, not the MAC. That is how one should make their buying decision.
So, the PC gets it, hands down. |
| #36 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 5/9/2003 1:15:00 PM |
| #46 - yeah but that depends on what you are classing the price by, upgrading yearly, adding another graphics card and the such like should be taken into consideration |
| #37 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 5/9/2003 1:15:57 PM |
| #45 - but for the 10% who use that software the decision isn't quite as clear cut. |
| #38 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 5/9/2003 1:37:49 PM |
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"Wait, wouldn't that also apply, then, to Byron's article in the first place since he said "I don’t personally care what everyone else uses"???? Obviously he raised comment, and with much greater reach. Nice logic, that which only applies in one direction."
No, I didn't see Byron saying it bothers him to see this article. He wrote this article just to get people talking. He numerously states I don't care, PCs are good, Macs are good, right now I prefer Macs. (With the apparent conclusion, that he could someday change his mind.) Sounds rational to me. No "it bothers me to see this story" pathetic-ness. Wow, Gigastudio rationalizes their own product's limitation to one platform? Wow! Big freaking deal--they built their software into a corner that forces them to be PC only... They are not inconsequential but they are not in the big three of DAWs nor does it mean that 95% of music studios do not use Macs. bluvg - "The best situation performance-wise is to put the swap on another drive or array (and yes, you can easily do this in Windows), but this has little to do with fragmentation. " Actually, this isn't true of OS X. Because of how HFS+ is built it actually doesn't like having a separate partition. The swap file should remain on the main boot volume. (For some reason, a lot of *Nix people like to do some Nix things to the Mac that they think are best practices, but if you talk to Apple, they strongly advise against.) This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, May 09, 2003 at 13:38. |
| #39 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/9/2003 3:30:37 PM |
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Oops, sorry--double post.
This post was edited by bluvg on Friday, May 09, 2003 at 15:54. |
| #40 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/9/2003 3:53:54 PM |
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Sodajerk, again, but more clearly:
Byron: "I don?t personally care what everyone else uses" RedAvenger: "But honestly no one cares what kind of computer you use...." Sodajerk to RedAvenger: "--therefore, someone else's opinion shouldn't bother you, cause concern, or raise comment..." But it's ok for Byron to comment about it, and not for RedAvenger? The comments themselves are beside the point... your statement to RedAvenger is that if he truly doesn't care, he shouldn't have cause to say anything. How does that not apply to Byron as well? (My guess... hmmm, probably because Byron's article favors the Mac....) Or if you don't care if Byron speaks his mind, then why do you care if RedAvenger speaks his? Funny how you can contradict yourself so consistently... in the same post you criticize a company choosing Windows as their sole platform: "Wow, Gigastudio rationalizes their own product's limitation to one platform? Wow! Big freaking deal--they built their software into a corner that forces them to be PC only... " (GigaStudio isn't a DAW, btw...) But yet it's ok if another decides to go Mac only: "(did everyone miss Bias's announcement that Peak and maybe other products in the future will be OS X only?)" I wasn't aware that with HFS+ it's recommended that you keep swap on the boot volume... thanks for pointing that out. (Mention could be made that HFS+ isn't the only file system that could be used, of course, but I suppose that's somewhat irrelevant as it would be a small minority of Mac users that would choose not to use HFS+.) However, it doesn't diminish the fact that defragmentation still occurs, no matter what file system. In all fairness, many NT 4 folks believe(d) that NTFS didn't require defragmentation, either, but we all know that not to be the case. |
| #41 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 5/9/2003 4:26:44 PM |
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bluvg, I still see no contradiction. I said there is no reason to comment along the lines of: this article sucks, this article shouldn't be here, I'm sick of pro-Mac crap.
Byron, doesn't say anything like this about someone else's opinion--he only presents his own. Red's opinion was specifically about someone else's view--it bothers him that Byron is posting his opinion on this site. I also see no contradiction on the software/platform issue. Giga has developed their code for a long time for one platform. I didn't attack them for that--I attacked the notion that this one piece of software disproved my assessment that the Mac is a superior platform for music. I also think its apparent that they aren't saying Wintel offers greater advantages--just that they have built a low level app that is difficult to port. As for Bias, it is notable that a company that was largely PC is migrating it's software away from the PC to the Mac in order to capitalize on the strengths of the platform--something that P. Thurott said don't exist at all. Yes, the swap file should remain on the boot volume. Apple also recommends the boot volume remain HFS+--as I said, Nix users are doing things that they think are "superior" to the Mac-way, but just because UFS or some other file system are compatible with OS X, doesn't mean you should be reformatting the boot volume to a file format other than HFS+. (This info also directly from Apple.) That is not to say there is anything wrong with UFS, NFS, etc.. partitions or volumes. I agree that Byron made a flawed point in this area. (In fact, I'm plenty disappointed by his article.) But I would assert that it remains true that the impact of fragmentation is greater on NTFS volumes than it is on HFS+ volumes. (i.e. Byron went to far in saying, "you just don't have to," but it wouldn't be incorrect to say that fragmentation has a greater effect on NTFS or FAT volumes than on HFS+ volumes. This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, May 09, 2003 at 18:17. |
| #42 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 5/9/2003 6:16:41 PM |
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bluvg... get out of your chair right now. Find the nearest door. Stand in front of it and argue with it.
You have as much chance carrying on an intelligent argument with that door as you do with jerky boy. Give up. You are right. Be satisfied with that. |
| #43 By 3 (81.131.120.114) at 5/10/2003 3:27:03 AM |
| #52 - as someone else here said, there is a difference in expressing an opinion like i did compared to expressing an opinion and basically telling everyone else who has a different one that they are wrong. It's something I wouldn't do simply because I wouldn't know the facts behind their decisions to buy a Mac or Windows so why judge someone's purchases on something that people knew nothing about? |
| #44 By 116 (66.69.198.173) at 5/10/2003 5:23:10 AM |
| Bla bla bla bla bla Mac rocks bla bla bla bla bla. |
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