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| Time: 12:38 EST/17:38 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
Co-developed with HP and code-named "Athens," the advanced PC prototype represents an evolution of the PC as a center for communication and collaboration, one that simultaneously simplifies PC operations while merging all forms of communication -- including next-generation voice, video and text messaging -- into a consistent, streamlined design. | ||
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| #26 By 1868 (141.133.155.28) at 5/7/2003 5:35:24 PM |
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Sodajerk,
You're blantantly wrong again. You can eject a disk from WMP, go to PLAY:EJECT:SELECT DRIVE and it ejects the disk. If it doesn't work on your machine, than that's your machine's problem. They've had this functionality(if you want to call it that) since win 95. G'eesh, if you used the platform a little bit more, you'd know all of these things... EDIT: Software/Hardware integration... I may be wrong, but WMP offers the CDDC check instantly when you insert a disk, and it shows you the ablum cover. I haven't seen winamp or for that matter any other full media play offer that kinda of seamless integration.. It could be out there, but I sure haven't used it. EDIT: This post was edited by Zeo01 on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 17:37. |
| #27 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/7/2003 5:52:31 PM |
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In the video, they discuss the prototype at hand, but they also show a common digital handset for a PBX system--did you miss that part, or what? Yes, they ARE talking about the integration of these systems. They also talked about the development of APIs to join these systems together. This is not just peripheral integration; this is a plan to merge collaboration in a way that hasn't been done before (outside of expensive proprietary solutions). Watch the video again for evidence of the software--it's not just a desktop background on the screen throughout the demonstration. I really don't see where you are getting the idea that the overarching idea of software and hardware integration is viewed by MS and HP as innovative. Again, stop hiding behind this notion that this is an obvious copycat of the True Pioneers (Sun, SGI, Apple, etc.) and that MS and HP are calling "integration" in and of itself a wildly innovative idea; you can't blindly label ANY integration of hardware and software as "it's been done." It's as general a label as "classical music"--it's much too broad and vague to discuss in this fashion. Beyond a very superficial view, the issue here isn't about mere integration--it's been done, I know it, you know it, and the fact isn't lost on HP or MS, either (as they have mentioned, and... huh, you have mentioned it, too, in #10). This issue is about this particular techology, as it is with any prototype of technology.
My original point was to question why everyone drew the focus to the plastic and how it was taking styling cues from Apple. My attempt was to redirect the focus onto the actual technology and concepts being presented, not some generalized, "Whoa, look, they're trying to in-te-grate hardware... and software! And look at the pretty case!" Rather than observe this prototype from 10,000 feet, why not look at the actual concept being demoed? I couldn't care less with regard to this demo about ejecting CDs from WMP or playlists or whatnot--that has nothing to do with the technology in question. That's what I mean about emerging from the Apple hole for a bit to see the concept for what it is... it's not about trying to make the PC more like a Mac, and your comments betray your claim that you do focus from outside that point of view. (btw, our Windows systems have powered down hardware long before XP... what are you talking about???) This post was edited by bluvg on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 17:57. |
| #28 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 5/7/2003 6:00:15 PM |
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Uh, Zeo--yes, I use this system enough to know about the Eject selection, it just does nothing.
Almost every media player can check a database on disk insert--this feature too has been around for years and is not unique to WMP. Bluvg, I don't get what you are talking about--you are saying something like my statement is valid but too general to argue with because you don't have an argument? Okay, whatever. |
| #29 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/7/2003 8:25:47 PM |
| I'm saying that hardware and software integration in and of itself is not the point of the demo. With the prototype, HP and MS are not making the point that, "Sheesh, we've never worked together before, maybe now we should?" They ARE making a point about integration of voice, email, IM, etc., features specifically, not just the simple notion of integration. |
| #30 By 3339 (66.219.95.6) at 5/7/2003 9:22:56 PM |
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I understand already! My point is: it's not a very good idea, it's poorly implemented (there are many areas that they are already way behind in integration, no one actually upholds the specs they create, even if they do--machines don't worked "integrated", etc...), and it's entirely uninteresting without seeing the software. I've seen the stupid demos--I watched the dude reach to the keyboard to pick up a phone call, and I heard the phone "call" start before he touched the keys, I saw him be confused about whether he should use the buttons on the side of the keyboard or the keyboard keys--it looked like he not only didn't understand how his "demo" was going to "work", but also that the prototype itself was damn confusing even if it did actually "work" which it doesn't.
That's my point. |
| #31 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/7/2003 9:58:16 PM |
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I'm glad you understand now. :)
Though this was merely a 2 years-in-advance demo, I think the point that they are testing designs for this type of integration is promising. Even if the prototype is just a dim realization of this concept, I think we agree that if the software and hardware isn't there by production time, it's worthless. I think you'd also agree that it is an idea worth hashing out, though, since you argue that Apple and others are going after some of the same concepts. |
| #32 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/8/2003 5:40:32 PM |
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No, I argue that it is an irrelevent form of integration that will be repulsed by the phone manufacturers, the wireless carriers, and the businesses making the purchasing decisions.
As I said, I always understood your point--I think it's a weak one, a pathetic one, one which doesn't have a good argument behind it. |
| #33 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/9/2003 9:44:24 AM |
| If it's irrelevant, why are others pursuing the same type of integration? So it's ok to back it when Apple is pursuing voice capabilities and integration, but irrelevant when Microsoft does it? Your true colors are showing.... |
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