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MSN 8 Asks Users to Pay for Some Online Services | |
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| Time: 16:00 EST/21:00 GMT | News Source: Gartner | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft's decision to move MSN to a partial for-pay model reasonably extends the trend in which content and application providers seek financial legitimacy by countering the popular mid-1990s assertion that information ("content" is the more common term in 2002) "wants to be free." The precipitous decline in competition among Internet information and interaction hubs makes the for-pay business model more defensible than ever — the critical issue here. | ||
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| #26 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:21:36 AM |
| Let me see if I understand the situation. You are jealous of Bill Gates. You covet his money. You envy his success. You wish that you had all the billions of dollars and all the power that he has. This is the root of the issue. You feel that you are unappreciated and underpaid. Either that or he is over appreciated and overpaid. Am I getting close? |
| #27 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:22:51 AM |
| n4cer, I think that Time Warner has enough money, they should let me download all the books and magazines and movies and music they own, because they already have enough money and I want their content. |
| #28 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:24:27 AM |
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Yes, you are jealous of Bill Gates and feel unappreciated and underpaid or that he is over appreciated and over paid?
I'm not knocking your profession or how important it is. What I want to understand is this - why do you have an issue with a company charging a consumer for a product? I think this issue lies in you, not in their business practices. |
| #29 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:24:38 AM |
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And IE isn't all that proprietary. Sure, it supports things like VBScript, but nothing (to my knowledge) is stopping anyone from implementing support in their browser. That said, I saw a page with a div tag test that Mozilla couldn't pass. Did they ever fix that?
Bob, I hope Soda doesn't take it to you like MS to Netscape :-) |
| #30 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:26:00 AM |
| Lol. I like to think of it as if he were netscape and I am Microsoft. : - ) |
| #31 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:27:28 AM |
| It's rather interesting that these forums get active discussion, while all the chats I ever joined were anything but active. |
| #32 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:28:11 AM |
| I think TW is hurting, though. They lost $50, or was it $500 billion dollars. :-) I know they lost at least $20 billion from mismanagement of WCW when they owned it. |
| #33 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:29:41 AM |
| Just as long as neither of you become Sun :-) Speaking of proprietary... |
| #34 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:29:46 AM |
| Lol! They are hurting more because of their merger with AOL. That is a laugh for the history books. It would be interesting if Steve Case gets ousted from AOLTW. Perhaps then AOL's foolish hatred of Microsoft can abate and the two companies can have a useful business relationship. |
| #35 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:30:28 AM |
| I'd rather be unemployed and living in a box then become Sun. You have nothing to worry about there. |
| #36 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:31:20 AM |
| Oh, but Java is open, didn't you know? Lol! Java is open and .NET is proprietary. How I love the spinmeisters. |
| #37 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:35:27 AM |
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I couldn't help but laugh. I thought Sun was going to make PCs for consumers. Then I read the CNET article on them and found that they were going to sell them to organizations in lots of 100. And the 100 computers would require a server. Sun just can't help overcharging for their products. They've been doing it since they started.
Like their $35 thousand anniversary edition box that is outperformed by an HP dual Itanium 2 for less than half the price, IIRC. This post was edited by n4cer on Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 03:40. |
| #38 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:40:38 AM |
| Anniversary edition? I can see it now, CTO walks into the board room and says "I have an announcement. Come with me to the server room." As the board files in, he says "We just purchased an over priced, under performing 'anniversary edition' server. So, um, let's talk about that severance package now, because I know I'm about to be voted off of the board." |
| #39 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:48:42 AM |
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Since you aren't arguing with any clarity, I'm glad that you don't plan to argue any more. By the way, you never did answer any of my questions.
a browser - Internet Explorer does come free with Windows. Quartz Extreme - GDI+ does come free with Windows iCal - um, doesn't Apple charge for this with its .mac offering? But anyway you can use MSN Calendar free from any browser. a patch that will allow you to change visual styles and icons - Right click on your windows desktop, select properties, change the "Theme" combo box to change your visual style. Once again, this is free with Windows. In addition to the free features in Windows, Microsoft has also created more enhanced features. If you want the more enhanced features, they come at an additional cost. Surely you understand what additional cost is, because you seem to defend Apple with talk of Quartz Extreme and iCal and Apple charges for them in OS X 10.2 (which is a service pack) and in .mac. |
| #40 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:53:39 AM |
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QE, for many Mac users, is a miserable failure. It doesn't even work on many users' computers, and it does little/nothing to help when resizing a browser, etc. Some get worse performance from 10.2 than they did from 10.1.
I'm happy to wait for a more well thought out, researched, and supported, accelerated GDI+, in Longhorn. Besides, my current UI is already speedier than a Mac even if it has QE. |
| #41 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:56:12 AM |
| Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about QE's requirements. |
| #42 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 3:57:48 AM |
| Try using a native theme and you won't need to use proprietary software. Do you have to use profanity to express yourself? |
| #43 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 3:59:19 AM |
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iCal is free, but "Publishing calendars on the Internet requires a .Mac membership or a WebDAV server". And, as mentioned above, iCal apparently uses a variation of IETF standard for calander publishing.
I say variation, because I couldn't get their calanders to open in Outlook even though they're using standard .ics iCalendar extensions. |
| #44 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 4:00:06 AM |
| BTW, you aren't doing a very good job of ending the conversation. Also, you still haven't answered my questions. |
| #45 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 4:01:46 AM |
| So most of the functionality that has been so praised tonight in iCal is not free. |
| #46 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 4:02:58 AM |
| right. At least not using iCal. :-) |
| #47 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 4:03:37 AM |
| Well, I guess if you have a WebDAV server, it's still all free. I have one, but I have WebDAV disabled. Lol! |
| #48 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/22/2002 4:07:47 AM |
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:-)
Well, I'm checking out for now. Seeya later, Bob. |
| #49 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 4:08:33 AM |
| There are a healthy number already included with Windows XP. |
| #50 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/22/2002 4:10:04 AM |
| Later, n4cer. I just reached 1200, which was my goal for the day. Think I'll stop arguing with Mr. Jedi, since he, after all, already ended the conversation. Lol! |
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