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First Windows Phone 7 update will "do what took Apple three years" | |
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| Time: 08:22 EST/13:22 GMT | News Source: *Linked Within Post* | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
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If you've got a Windows Phone 7 device, chances are good that it's missing a few key features that you'd really like to be using. Features like multitasking, copy and paste, turn-by-turn navigation, and support for custom ringtones. If we're to believe the excited chatter on Twitter lately, those features -- and more -- are coming in the January Windows Phone 7 update. Developer Tom Hounsell went so far as to say that Microsoft has managed to do in three months what took Apple three years. | ||
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| #1 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 11/30/2010 12:00:33 PM |
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More than ringtones I would like to see:
Tasks Categories Unified Inbox Agenda and Week Calendar views Without these features WP7 will never be suitable for business users. |
| #2 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 11/30/2010 1:39:31 PM |
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None of those keep it from being "suitable" perhaps "optimal."
And honestly, what is the obession with Unified Inboxes and Threaded Views. Both drive me nuts. Threaded views have a tendancy to be wrong. I prefer knowing which inbox I'm in before I start reading/responding to e-mails. |
| #3 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 11/30/2010 2:54:51 PM |
| Here's what kills me - MS should be able to start at that point or really close to it. They can look at iPhone and Android and see what works and what doesn't. MS should be able to build on Apple's and Google's sweat and hit the ground running. Instead they come out with a half-baked product. Zune all over again! |
| #4 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 11/30/2010 3:08:14 PM |
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#2: We are all entitled to our opinions; for me the above mentioned features are fundamental. On the other hand, for example, I do not use "Threaded views"......
There are people who do not care for "Drive Extender" in WHS; without it for me, and plenty of other users, it does not make sense. De gustibus non disputandum est. |
| #5 By 8556 (173.27.244.6) at 11/30/2010 10:37:02 PM |
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"De gustibus non disputandum est"
#4: does this mean that Microsoft is not getting any of your money? Y'all smarties sure know how ta show off! |
| #6 By 89249 (72.213.159.5) at 11/30/2010 10:39:43 PM |
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I dig Fritz.
Let me fix your statement in #1 to keep in line with #4 Without these features WP7 will never be suitable for users like me. Your first statement wasn't about taste in the end, it was a definitive statement about WP7's ability to service "business users." And obviously you didn't say anything about threaded views. Pointing out the obvious is pointing out the obvious. It is one of the other larger reasons people damn WP7 as an e-mail client for business. |
| #7 By 89249 (72.213.159.5) at 11/30/2010 10:48:40 PM |
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#3. You do realize, in context they blew out what was released a month ago in a little over a year from scratch. Three months later they get near feature parity with the primary players in the new smartphone market. Complain all you like, but looking at Microsoft's moves in he past two years (Microsoft Online Services, OCS, Win7, WP7, Xbox/Kinect, Live Essentials) and what's coming (Office 365, Win8 Virtualization/Touch UI, IE9, 360 TV/WMC TV/Media Room, WP7 Upgrades, Zune (you obviously haven't been paying much attention there)) You can't say MS is doing anything but the right moves lately.
Rumored Hosted solutions for Lync as a VOIP PBX. Rumored SaaS OS licensing. There are couple of missteps here and there but they are far outweighed by amazing services showing up and blowing the doors of the perceived leaders. Hell businesses may pickup hosted services of all of their major offerings + office & desktop software locally for something between $30 to $40/m/u. I'm glad to see MS stop being the sleeping giant of the mid 2000's over the past couple years. And it's taken serious competition from Google/Apple etc. to wake it back up. |
| #8 By 7754 (173.8.117.81) at 12/1/2010 1:00:23 AM |
| If they don't have full support for EAS policies, it will be a big disappointment for me. While I like WP7 a lot, it's unbelievable that the competition offers better support for Exchange than Microsoft itself. |
| #9 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 12/1/2010 9:22:22 AM |
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#7: If MS had to scramble to create a new OS is its fault; if they did not underestimate the iPhone threat, Ballmer statements about it docet, and kept developing the mobile OS they would not fell where they are right now with market share.
Also this "Start from scratch" is a misleading mantra: yes they created a new OS but not from scratch; it is based on CE6. Windows NT was created from scratch and Windows 2000, XP, Vista and W7 are new OSes built on NT foundation. Finally and contrary to your assumptions I do pay attention to what MS does and I was very pleased when they released the sales numbers for W7 and lately Kinect while there is a defeaning silence about WP7 sales numbers. As for WP7 futures upgrades and W8 I am waiting to see what MS will announce; I use put and call when trading in the Stock market not to decide what phone I buy. This post was edited by Fritzly on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 at 09:26. |
| #10 By 7754 (173.8.117.81) at 12/1/2010 3:35:08 PM |
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#9--exactly right about the sales numbers. I was going to write that in my post but forgot about it! :) If the sales numbers were great (as with Kinect), they'd be talking about it; they can't have it both ways--either they keep quiet about all numbers and say "they're grrrreat!", or they release all numbers. They can't say the sales are great across the board, but only reveal figures for two out of three products. Granted, they're not--they're not saying much about WP7 sales, which is another indication sales aren't great.
I'm rooting for WP7, though--I think it's a very, very nice product with some easily-filled shortcomings. The user experience is top-notch, and aside from the v1 nature of it, I think it's better than anything else out there at the moment. It's mind-blowingly fast, and remarkably polished for v1. I really think they are attacking the wrong target, though--BlackBerry is the vulnerable market to grab, not so much the iPhone/Android potential customers. With Microsoft's well-established business presence, they don't have to fight and claw (as have the iPhone and Android platforms) to establish a beachhead--they already have one ready and waiting for them. I agree that building a great consumer device was exactly what they needed, but they are targeting it at the wrong market. Build up that base, and let the consumer market grow at what will likely be a fairly slow pace as the platform matures. Right now, they're attacking where they are at their weakest (consumer market) where their competitors (iPhone/Android) are at their strongest. A much better battle plan is to attack where they are strongest (business market) when their competition (BlackBerry) is at one of their weakest times (moving to a new platform, seen as stagnant platform, etc.). |
| #11 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 12/1/2010 3:37:59 PM |
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Obviously I wasn't talking about the iPhone Threat or MS's slow reaction. RX was commenting on the current platform which is less than a year old (and a first for me being mad MS didn't copy someone's success). If anything I commend Ballmer (or whomever is making these sweeping changes at MS) for finally having the balls to tell legacy apps and WinMo lovers to stfu and build a solid product.
If you're going to take the "It's build on CE" approach... iOS and Android both ride on top of a base OS that existed long before the platform with a full featureset. iOS has taken a huge amount of time to engineer it's platform up to what it is... a timeframe I've never see full revealed. Android, too, was many years in the making and IMO is still clunky feeling though great for the geeks of the world. While I agree WinCE is the foundation for Windows Phone (a hybrid of 6 & 7 specially made for WP) The platform itself is from scratch in every way shape and form. Not only was the platform from scratch, all supporting software that was available out of the gate was created too. Development Apps, Store, etc. They haven't polished all of it (developer app reports etc) but to scrap an entire platform years in the making (WinMo7) and push this out in a little over year is highly commendable, to bring it to near feature parity only 3 months later is even moreso. I agree about the silence on sales figures but they had and still have afaik a huge inventory problem because this thing was pushed out the door so fast. The launch was not fantastic by AT&T (many stores didn't know what Windows Phone was and hadn't pushed out marketing materials into the storefront). As it ramps up the phone will gain traction and MS will most likely pickup a decent part of the young SmartPhone market. Personally I think the biggest problem they are having right now is marketing. Not as bad as Palm but not nearly as good as iPhone/Droid. |
| #12 By 7754 (173.8.117.81) at 12/1/2010 3:38:41 PM |
| For what it's worth, I think they have proven--at least with Silverlight--that they can iterate quickly. Hopefully that will be true of WP7. |
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