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5 Reasons Windows 7 Is A Better Deal For Students Than Snow Leopard | |
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| Time: 08:13 EST/13:13 GMT | News Source: CRN | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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The Windows 7 special offer comes as Apple makes a push to grab share from Microsoft with Snow Leopard pricing aimed at undercutting Microsoft for the first time ever. Indeed, Apple, which released Snow Leopard on August 28, has gone to great lengths to price its products at a premium compared to Microsoft. Nevertheless, here are five reasons why Windows 7 is a better deal for students than Snow Leopard. | ||
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| #1 By 23603 (96.21.51.190) at 9/19/2009 8:53:16 AM |
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waiting for Latch comments ..... :-)
And like it or not...it is true. |
| #2 By 37 (12.189.101.2) at 9/19/2009 10:12:32 AM |
| That article almost looks like it was written by Microsoft themselves. Amazing koolaid break there. |
| #3 By 11888 (174.88.89.70) at 9/19/2009 11:53:38 PM |
| Actually it sounds like it was written by Fox News. |
| #4 By 2231 (72.5.151.4) at 9/20/2009 1:26:22 AM |
| How do you take this article seriously when the word 'security' is not mentioned once? |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/21/2009 10:09:03 AM |
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#1: I'm not a Mac guy and couldn't care less. I'm still waiting for your comments here:
http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=47867&Group=1 btw is "I'm waiting for Latch's comment" the new "First post!"? It seems that's all you have to offer here these days. |
| #6 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/21/2009 10:11:26 AM |
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I actually had a glance at the article and point #3 almost made me spit out my Coke. MS playing nice with open source?? This guy is either hauling water for the Kool-Aid squad or he hasn't been paying attention for the past decade.
Edit: Point #2 is equally as stupid in the last paragraph. Kids should be taught computing concepts in general and not "Microsoft" skills. Kids should not be groomed to be dependent on one vendors products. This post was edited by Latch on Monday, September 21, 2009 at 10:19. |
| #7 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/21/2009 11:13:43 AM |
| #6: regarding your comment about vendor neutrality--nice in theory, but useless in reality. That's like teaching programming on a conceptual level without teaching any particular language. It's a disservice to their education. |
| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/21/2009 11:52:50 AM |
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#7: regarding your comment about vendor neutrality--nice in theory, but useless in reality.
I disagree. Everyone I know in the IT field right now grew up learning generic computing and not Microsoft computing. We somehow all managed to figure out the OSes and apps as we went along. Even my parents and in-laws managed to pick up a few things. Yet, if we don't teach kids Microsoft products, they're doomed to a life of stocking shelves at Wal-Mart? That's like teaching programming on a conceptual level without teaching any particular language. Back in the day, we were first taught logic and then taught how to develop an algorithm in pseudo-code. From there you translated the pseudo-code into the particular language you were using. Also, we had separate units where we learned BASIC, COBOL, Fortran, Pascal and assembly so we weren't tied to just one language. |
| #9 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/21/2009 1:41:32 PM |
| #8: that's the point... if you took a class that only taught pseudocode, it would be useless in reality. Try getting a job with only "generic computing" experience. Looks real nice on a resume. |
| #10 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/21/2009 2:18:16 PM |
| #9: You can learn the basics of desktop computing with Linux, Mac or Windows -- not just Windows, and you can learn the majority of what an office software suite has with OO. The schools can save some coin at the same time. The only one who loses in this scenario is Microsoft. Now, you can always invent a contrived scenario where only MS software will do, but I doubt that will come into play with most students. |
| #11 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 9/21/2009 2:41:45 PM |
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#10: "You can learn the basics of desktop computing with Linux, Mac or Windows -- not just Windows"
You learn what the world uses. In the early 90s it was VB and PowerBuilder, then came JAVA, now it's C# and Java. Until Open Source becomes more ubiquitous it is useless to teach it. |
| #12 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/21/2009 2:57:13 PM |
| #10, so you'd rather a student go into a prospective employer with "Open Office experience" rather than "Microsoft Office experience" on their resume??? That's putting personal philosophical agendas ahead of what's best for the student. |
| #13 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/21/2009 3:21:55 PM |
| #13: If someone is looking for a job and the job req specifically asks for MS Office, then they better know MS Office to some degree. Even then, Office as a term is used like 'Kleenex'. They say they want Office, but I doubt they're looking for hardcore Office experts. If you've used any office suite, you can usually fake your way through another. I use Office every day, yet I have no formal training and I certainly didn't get any in high school. Same goes with most people I know. My wife has advanced formal training and it has served her well, but her (old) job required that level of Office knowledge. I'm saying students should be exposed to word processors, spreadsheets and databases -- just not necessarily Microsoft's and especially when there are free versions available to under-funded school boards. Lastly, any version of Office taught to schoolkids will be outdated by the time they enter the workforce. Yes, they can learn newer versions of Office just like they can learn a slightly different OpenOffice. A lot of the same concepts apply. |
| #14 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/21/2009 4:32:44 PM |
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(Reply to your post while posting, eh? :P)
#13: I'm not buying it. Regardless of whether most suites offer similar features, I don't think most businesses look at Office suites like they do 'Kleenex.' If you put "generic office experience" on a resume and send that to HR and they have another candidate with "Microsoft Office experience," I'm quite sure "generic office experience" is going to count against the person. It's much like back in the days of WordPerfect's dominance. They may be able to learn the new features, sure... but then what is the point of "experience"? On a more practical level, unless the need within documents/files is exceptionally limited (filling out pre-made, fill-in-the-blank forms, one-off memos with little concern for consistency/quality/etc.), that cursory level of familiarity tends to be a liability in an organization, introducing risks and requiring others to do spot-checking and cleanup work. Interestingly, your point would be kind of an indictment of OpenOffice... if the claim is that OpenOffice's features are so interchangeable with Microsoft Office's such that training isn't even required, then OpenOffice truly is merely a total copycat knock-off of MS Office. |
| #15 By 28801 (71.58.225.185) at 9/21/2009 5:21:48 PM |
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"then OpenOffice truly is merely a total copycat knock-off of MS Office"
Can anyone name a piece of opensource software that isn't a knock-off? |
| #16 By 15406 (99.240.76.72) at 9/21/2009 6:36:19 PM |
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#14: I'm not buying it.
I'm not selling anything. MY opinions are yours for free. Interestingly, your point would be kind of an indictment of OpenOffice... if the claim is that OpenOffice's features are so interchangeable with Microsoft Office's such that training isn't even required, then OpenOffice truly is merely a total copycat knock-off of MS Office. You are aware that there were word processors, spreadsheets, presentation graphics and databases before MS Office came along, eh? #15: Can anyone name a piece of opensource software that isn't a knock-off? Don't go there. We all know that much of MS's software portfolio are copies of already-existing products either made in-house or acquired from third-parties. |
| #17 By 28801 (71.58.225.185) at 9/21/2009 10:07:36 PM |
| Yes, but the question... |
| #18 By 8556 (173.27.242.53) at 9/22/2009 12:38:14 AM |
| #15: How about Audacity? |
| #19 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/22/2009 12:45:22 AM |
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#16, ok, now you're just dodging. ;) I am quite aware that there are others, and there still *are* others. But Google Docs isn't Microsoft Office, neither is WordPerfect Microsoft Word. Beyond the simplest of documents, WordPerfect requires training quite different from Word--because it's not a copy of Word.
Again, training on a niche product when more than 9 out of 10 businesses use something else is a disservice to students. |
| #20 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 9/22/2009 5:57:54 AM |
| #15: that isn't a knock-off? |
| #21 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/22/2009 8:20:40 AM |
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#17: Unless you are the very first entrant in a new software segment, then you're a knock-off in a way. But that's not a bad thing as this is the way that technology evolves. As I sit here typing this, I cannot think of a single thing that MS has made that didn't have an ancestor.
#18: Audacity is a sound editor. Many sound editors have been made long before Audacity saw the light of day. #19: No, I'm not dodging anything. You are right in that the methodology to perform a task in Office Versus OO is different, but that's just the mechanics. What I'm saying is that the two office suites are conceptually similar with a lot of feature overlap. If you know how to mail merge in Office, it's not going to be too hard for you to figure out how to do the same in OO. You seem to believe that the differences between OO and Office are a problem, but it's not an issue when it's differences between one version of Office to another. Again, training on a niche product when more than 9 out of 10 businesses use something else is a disservice to students. I would agree if the students in question were adults in business school, but for grade school kids, it's not a disservice. They learn general concepts and it costs the school less. |
| #22 By 47914 (75.150.156.89) at 9/22/2009 9:02:46 AM |
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#21 "I would agree if the students in question were adults in business school, but for grade school kids, it's not a disservice. They learn general concepts and it costs the school less. "
Our school district BOE tried to implement OO district wide to save money over MS Office. When the taxpayers, primarily white collar professionals, caught wind, the implementation was abandoned only 3 months into the school year. The taxpayers wanted their kids to learn what the business world uses, currently MS OFFICE. "generic computing" doesn't cut it. |
| #23 By 11888 (198.103.167.20) at 9/22/2009 9:05:43 AM |
| It's sad that we're raising our children to be cogs in a corporate machine. |
| #24 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/22/2009 9:22:39 AM |
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#22: So, once again, political interference wins the day for Microsoft. I must admit that I find it hard to believe that that many parents care about something like that to cause a fuss. What board was this and do you happen to have a link?
#23: At least someone is hearing what I'm saying. |
| #25 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/22/2009 11:25:55 AM |
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#23, 24: for the same reasons I outlined above. They care about their kids' educations and the opportunities it provides. Cogs in the corporate machine? Way to reduce the productive activities of a large part of society to a four-letter word of uselessness. And some people would be quite thankful to have those corporate jobs right now.
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