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Microsoft: No browserless Windows 7 after all | |
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| Time: 20:58 EST/01:58 GMT | News Source: News.com | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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It looks like there won't be a browserless version of Windows 7, after all. Microsoft said late Friday that it won't ship the Windows 7 "E" version of Windows even though Europe has yet to sign off on its revised plan. The plan calls for the company to ship Windows 7 with Internet Explorer, but present a ballot screen in which users in Europe can decide whether they want Internet Explorer or another browser. | ||
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| #1 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 8/1/2009 3:05:10 PM |
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Looks like IE will continue its dominant market share in Europe. The other day I tried ti install Adobe Photoshop but Windows stopped me by opening MS Paint to edit my JPG's by default. If only I had a ballot screen when I choose to edit my JPGs.
For that matter where the hell is my ballot screen for when I watch an MPG. Guess I can never replace Windows Media Player. I feel so trapped. SAVE ME GOVERNMENT! SAVE ME! |
| #2 By 12071 (114.72.61.211) at 8/1/2009 7:18:41 PM |
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#1 if you're an average windows user then you won't know that there are other browsers out there available for you to use, all you'll know is that little IE icon. Just like you won't know what the heck Photoshop is so your analysis of the situation is completely off (Mind you, given that you want to edit your jpg's in MSPaint it does at least show that you're an average user!) That's not to mention that Photoshop and Paint aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to function, unlike browsers!
And it's not like Microsoft has a history of making it difficult for competitors products to run on their OS! Which isn't an issue for those who only want to run MS software, but it's a killer for the consumers as it doesn't provide choice, alternatives etc. You may want to be locked it, you may even enjoy it, heck, you may even be under the belief that you're somehow benefitting from it.... But don't assume that for everyone else! What you consistently fail to mention is why this is happening - where this punishment phase is coming from... The fact that someone was found guilty of abusing their position in the market. Perhaps where you are, individuals and entities get found guilty for actions committed and then get let off (after all they've changed now! Trust us!) but elsewhere we like to punish them to not give them an incentive to do it again! |
| #3 By 79018 (74.70.9.133) at 8/1/2009 9:23:37 PM |
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#1
You can have as many media players you want, and choose the default player. I have about 5 with VLC as my default player. And on my system MS Paint is never used, we're talking basic Window setting options. I have Photoshop, Corel Photopaint and Paint.net. it's not that hard to choose the default program. |
| #4 By 28801 (71.58.225.185) at 8/1/2009 10:22:47 PM |
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#2: "The fact that someone was found guilty of abusing their position in the market."
Too bad you don't apply the same moral compass to your own life. You know, that stuff about using the stolen Lenovo activation code. |
| #5 By 13997 (68.118.60.33) at 8/1/2009 11:20:20 PM |
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#1) Seriously?
Even in XP, you have Default Programs in the Control Panel for handling of almost any main type of media, main, and Internet browser... Try this, the Right Click Button... You would be freaking amazed at how much you can do with that button. Like Open JPGs or MPG with ANY PROGRAM on your computer, and assign them as the default. That button is like Magic... Adobe Photoshop also has options to 'take control' of any file type from inside Photoshop, as all file type associationas are application controlled, and left the programs to DECIDE who gets to open what. So complain to Adobe for not reading your mind and taking control of JPGs. There are also 20 other ways to open a 'Document' or 'Image' via any program. Like try dragging and dropping the 'Document' or 'Image' on the Program when it is open, on the Program's shortcut and the list goes on and on and on... I personally have a toolbar (Yes even in Win7) that I have my media applications on, so that by default Windows Photo Gallery handles viewing, etc of JPGs but when I want to edit one with a different program, I drag it on top of the shortcut for that program on my Toolbar. In Windows7 there is even a Toolbar Option at the top of every folder for all Documetns and Files so that you can select which program you want to open it with if you don't want the default program or don't want to use that freaking Right Mouse Button. It really amazes me, in Windows you have more options for accessing documents and opening with what you want than OS X or even Linux. And this is more than just Explorer and the basic OS UI, as you can use scripts, cmd scripts, shortcuts, etc etc etc to do virtually anything. Heck, even turn on the BSD subsystem and open your JPGs in your favorite BSD script or compiled editor... |
| #6 By 2138 (80.85.62.100) at 8/1/2009 11:57:35 PM |
| we all were discussing this the other day & i suppose that I was correct. It is legal matter & problem. M$ I think finally popped their head out of the window. I feel that this will please most everyone. |
| #7 By 2960 (72.196.201.130) at 8/2/2009 12:56:28 AM |
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The agreement with the EU will should be verified as iron clad.
Or the Ballot screen will have IE selected as the default, and if you try select a different browser, the machine crashes and reboots. Hey, they didn't say it had to work, only that it be presended :) |
| #8 By 28801 (71.58.225.185) at 8/2/2009 11:41:17 AM |
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#7: "Or the Ballot screen will have IE selected as the default"
Why not? If MS is absorbing the cost, they should at least be listed first on the ballot screen. |
| #9 By 8556 (173.27.242.53) at 8/2/2009 11:48:52 AM |
| Since many programs, upon being installed, have the "I Do Not Agree" button selected to make people choose between agreeing to the license terms or not, I suspect that MS may also force a selection, or no browser would be installed. Such a ballot screen should satisfy most people, except terribly lazy ones. |
| #10 By 143 (96.28.64.244) at 8/2/2009 8:30:25 PM |
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Copyright or patent infringement is only good when a government is ordering it. Basically that is what the EU is asking Microsoft to do. This post was edited by donpacman on Sunday, August 02, 2009 at 20:31. |
| #11 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 8/3/2009 9:45:19 AM |
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Chris. Again I know assuming absolute stupidity of every non-power user is a staple of those who think MS is evil... My Mom wanted me to install Firefox, my grandpa installed Google Chrome (and he barely knows how to use a spoon (yea he doesn't know who I am anymore)
These people are probably below average users. The users on my network regularly complain they want Firefox which I won't install. The users in my network tried to install Chrome. And Chris I really don't care about the cases. We've all seen just how well the EU does at orchestrating markets, products, services under the guise of "protecting its citizens." Again, they assume like you do, that users are dumb and just like to "click on that e thingy to see my facebook." |
| #12 By 12071 (203.185.215.144) at 8/3/2009 9:36:05 PM |
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#11 Oh believe me.. it's plain obvious that you don't care! And for the record it's not just the EU that's found issues with MS here... the US did too... however there's this handy way of getting out of trouble in the US... either through very good lawyers or bribes... i mean lobbying! I was just trying to make it clear as to why these things are being asked of MS and not Apple or Google or name whoever you you don't like... as the one thing that I find on here is that the really religious MS supporters just don't get it... they actually feel like MS is the victim here after all they did and all they were found guilty of doing!
And from my experience, anyone claiming to be a windows "power-user" generally isn't. It's a bit like all those people that call themselves hardcore gamers when they explain why the xbox360 is the best thing in the world. There's a reason the majority of users are still using IE and that's because it came pre-installed on their shiny new pc with Windows installed. Not because they chose to use it. Not because they're power-users and they picked out the best browser for their needs. Or because they have someone like you telling them that they can't install anything else! |
| #13 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/4/2009 9:52:42 AM |
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#12: as the one thing that I find on here is that the really religious MS supporters just don't get it... they actually feel like MS is the victim here after all they did and all they were found guilty of doing!
Tell me about it. It can sometimes be frustrating to explain the same issues again and again to the same people, and they still don't get it. Some of them are just clueless in general, while others play this charade of pretending to not know about MS's previous anti-competitive history and pretending to not understand why it's a problem for everyone. |
| #14 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 8/4/2009 10:15:34 AM |
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Latch, what you seem to ignore is that much of what is characterized as religion, isn't.
Pragmatists need to get things done and address requirements for customers. Providers have to work from a platform and according to practical and reasonable expectations for success. Microsoft provides a platform, which provides for this. It isn't nearly as much about ideology as those on the opposite side insist. Much of the false characterizations, as I see it, are necessary to marginalize and delegitimize arguments, which we present from a more pragmatic base. I assert this is so, because there is not as much of a "platform" from which competitors may base either solutions, or arguments advancing them. Often what becomes characterized as religion, are efforts to counter the utter BS that erodes one's ability to get things done. The often baseless arguments against using a proven platform can dilute efforts to satisfy customer requirements. In very simple terms, most of the time we don't have time to give a flipping rip about anti-this, or that... we're too busy building solutions from a very practical perspective... and finally, Unix was/is a teaching environment for the Multices (now retired). It had its chance many times. It fell for many "practical" reasons. |
| #15 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/4/2009 12:47:02 PM |
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#14: Latch, what you seem to ignore is that much of what is characterized as religion, isn't.
It's easy to ignore something that isn't real. You're attempting to portray yourself as not part of the MS religion by claiming it doesn't exist. Yet you still ride to the rescue any time I (or anyone else) besmirches Microsoft's good name by daring to point out their latest gaffe/plot. You're doing this to make your opinions appear more centred & mainstream instead of extreme pro-MS. A little late, as you're already recognized as the resident Microsoft High Priest, St. Ketchum of Redmond. Pragmatists need to get things done and address requirements for customers. I'll have to keep an eye out for one of these pragmatists if they ever happen to visit AW. You claim to be one yourself, with no time for this & that, but your constant MS White Knightism and AW post count belie that assertion. |
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