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Why Isn't Microsoft's Strategy Working Anymore? | |
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| Time: 09:27 EST/14:27 GMT | News Source: *Linked Within Post* | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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We've owned shares of Microsoft (MSFT) for almost seven years -- with nothing to show for it. I've been wrong on the stock, and something is wrong at the company. What is it? | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/9/2009 11:03:26 AM |
| This article is spot-on. This guy nailed MS. |
| #2 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 6/9/2009 11:19:00 AM |
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"It invented none of the applications in its Office suite"
Microsoft Word is 26 years old. Microsoft Excel is 27 years old. It was originally called Multiplan and it PREDATES Lotus 1-2-3. Only a stupid idiot moron would suggest that nothing in those products came from Microsoft. #1 What a retard you are. |
| #3 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 6/9/2009 11:46:10 AM |
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Another "The internet is gonna kill MS" "The personal computer is dead" "Microsoft doesn't write code it buys it" article. Mostly what #2 says. Oh and if you bought MS 7 years ago and expected to see insane growth you're an idiot to begin with... bluechips are bluechips.
Oh and he compares Spreadsheets to Web Search to prove his point. |
| #4 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/9/2009 11:58:44 AM |
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#2: Your selective comprehension in action again. I love how you quote the guy and then attempt to refute him by providing utterly meaningless and irrelevant data. You're telling me that MS invented the word processor, the spreadsheet, the presentation graphics app and the database? Is that what you're telling me? Because, if you are, then you're lying as usual.
Only a stupid idiot moron would suggest that nothing in those products came from Microsoft. Only a stupid idiot moron would allege that, Mr Strawman. I'll try and help you comprehend what the article author wrote. He said that MS copies what others do. None of the apps in Office was invented by MS. We're talking the applications themselves, not some niggling sub-feature that you'll try to hang your "MS invents everything!" hat on. #3: Oh and he compares Spreadsheets to Web Search to prove his point. Is that somehow wrong? He points out that MS is a copy machine that does good marketing, and how that model doesn't work off the desktop. His examples were spreadsheet and search. |
| #5 By 9589 (71.71.108.21) at 6/9/2009 1:07:32 PM |
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"We've owned shares of Microsoft (MSFT) for almost seven years -- with nothing to show for it." The definition of insanity is doing something over and over and expecting a different result. What a dunce . . .
Meanwhile, the overall market did about the same over the same period of time. In other words, Microsoft mirrowed the market in its performance. The author apparently is new to the concept . . . |
| #6 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 6/9/2009 1:28:38 PM |
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#4 I think you are an idiot who does not understand the difference between the words innovate and invent - or more likely deliberately lie by pretedning the words are interchangeable.
Office applications that have successfully existed for over 25 years are full of innovation. First came Xerox Bravo in 1974. Then came Word in 1983. The author of Xerox Brava was just continuing his earlier work. (Just because Xerox was too dumb to market Brava doesn't mean everyone else should forego creating a Word Processor). "Charles Simonyi, developer of Xerox Bravo, joined up with Microsoft after he received an offer from Bill Gates in 1981. On day one of his long tenure, Gates, Paul Allen and Simonyi decided to produce database, spreadsheet, and word processor applications. Simonyi soon hired a former Xerox intern named Richard Brodie and began work on ‘Multi-Tool Word'. With Brodie doing most of the programming, they developed version 1.0 in Microsoft's Xenix (a UNIX-like operating system, now defunct). Not long after, marketing scrapped the ‘Multi-Tool' part of the name as being too cumbersome, and Microsoft Word was born." Innovate: to introduce something new; make changes in anything established. Invent: 1. To produce or contrive (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination. 2. To make up; fabricate: I do admit that Microsoft haters like you are good at the #2 definition for invent. |
| #7 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/9/2009 1:37:55 PM |
| #6: Thanks for confirming that MS didn't invent any of the apps in Office just like the article said, which is contrary to what you said in #2. I knew that if I waited long enough, you'd eventually prove yourself wrong. |
| #8 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 6/9/2009 2:25:59 PM |
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#7 What I think is funny is that Microsoft haters suggest inventing the conecpt of something is supposedly the trump card. And that all features added to that invention mean nothing.
Its kind of like suggesting there is zero innovation in any car built since the car was invented. Only an idiot would suggest that. Suggesting that no innovation is possible in any of the word processors on the market after Bravo is also something an idiot would say. Latch is the #1 idiot on this site. And, to double down on latch's idiocy, he is suggesting the inventor of the Word Processor cannot innovate if he changes companies and writes a new better word processor for his new company .... Ha ha ha. Microsoft haters ... sure, they didn't patent idiocy, but they innovate idiocy everytime they speak! |
| #9 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/9/2009 2:50:56 PM |
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#9: I can top that. What's even funnier is a microbot who tried to claim that MS invented all the apps in Office, and then started furiously contorting himself to make it appear that innovation and invention are equivalent, even though they aren't even close, just to try and wriggle out of an asinine statement. Hilarious!
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| #10 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 6/9/2009 3:11:00 PM |
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#5 Stating that MS stocks performed as the rest of the market is, unfortunately, ludicrous.
In the last ten years MS underperformed compared to the rest of the market. By the way a company can be innovative, delivering excellent products et. etc. and still underperform so the author of the article is mixing apple and oranges. |
| #11 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 6/9/2009 4:13:39 PM |
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#10 Compare MSFT to Nasdaq/DOW/SP and yes it has performaed the same over 5 years.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5y&s=MSFT&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=&c=%5EGSPC&c=%5EIXIC&c=%5EDJI The issue is that it has performed as spectaculary as it did before 2000. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=%5EGSPC,%5EIXIC,%5EDJI This post was edited by NotParkerToo on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 at 16:13. |
| #12 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 6/9/2009 4:17:53 PM |
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#9 The point I was trying to make is that the Office products are innovative.
Only an idiot would suggest a 2009 Telsa is not innovative because someone other than Telsa invented the car or the electric car. And Latch you are that idiot. And always will be that idiot. |
| #13 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 6/9/2009 8:13:33 PM |
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What the heck has Google ever invented? They innovated the search algorithm but have bought many of their other successful products like Picasa and Keyhole.
What the hell has Open Source ever invented or innovated for that matter. Talk about just copying existing technology. My point is that true creative inventiveness is not a frequent occurrence. When it does happen it is ultimately copied and improved. |
| #14 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/10/2009 8:12:04 AM |
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#13: My point is that true creative inventiveness is not a frequent occurrence. When it does happen it is ultimately copied and improved.
Amen to that. The reason MS gets their feet held to the fire about this is because MS is the one issuing press releases every 3 days talking about all their constant innovation. Google doesn't do that. Nobody else does that. MS does that a lot, and they'd better be able to back it up. They generally don't, but that doesn't stop them from talking about it all the time like it was actually happening. Instead, they try to fool people into thinking they're still a leader like they were in the 90's when today, in reality, they follow the trails blazed by others. |
| #15 By 92283 (142.32.208.233) at 6/10/2009 11:51:00 AM |
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#14 "Google doesn't do that"
""We believe that our innovative technologies will be of real benefit to Fox Interactive Media's growing number of users," said Eric Schmidt, Chief Executive Officer of Google" http://investor.google.com/releases/20060807.html And what is at the bottom oF EVERY Google press release: 'About Google Inc. Google's innovative search technologies connect millions of people around the world with information every day." The Latchbot "I am a lying idiot Tour" continues. This post was edited by NotParkerToo on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 at 11:52. |
| #16 By 92283 (142.32.208.233) at 6/10/2009 12:17:05 PM |
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"Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google. "As we continue to focus on innovating in our core business of search, ads and apps,"
http://investor.google.com/releases/2008Q2.html Annual Report: "Our innovations in web search and advertising ..." "Our product development philosophy involves rapid and continuous innovation ..." "We believe the infrastructure also shortens our product development cycle and lets us pursue innovation more cost effectively." And 13 more references .... http://investor.google.com/documents/2008_google_annual_report.html |
| #17 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/10/2009 1:17:59 PM |
| #15: You really need to start paying me by the hour to help you with your comprehension. Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse as per usual. Maybe then you wouldn't need to edit your posts all the time. I never said that Google has never used the word 'innovate' or 'innovation', as you would like to portray based on a sentence fragment you selected. I said they don't issue press releases that talk up their innovation all the time where none exists. Google is *the* leader in search, and it's thanks to their innovations. MS is a follower and innovates very little today. Finding 2 or 3 examples of Google using the word 'innovate' does not counter my statement in any way. Companies that innovate can say so without everyone else breaking up with laughter. Companies like MS claim to innovate every day, but everyone just rolls their eyes. |
| #18 By 92283 (142.32.208.233) at 6/10/2009 1:30:34 PM |
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#17 "I said they don't issue press releases "
I was quoting form press releases. " Finding 2 or 3 examples ...." I found hundreds. Idiot. |
| #19 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/10/2009 2:58:32 PM |
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Hey, the selective quote game looks fun. Maybe I'll give it a try.
#6: I think you are... successfully... full of innovation Why, thank you. I try my best. #8: What I think is funny is that Microsoft... features.. zero innovation. Don't be so hard on Microsoft. While they don't innovate nearly as often as they claim to, they still do every now and then. #15: I am a lying idiot Good to see you're finally addressing your problems. That's the first step to recovery. |
| #20 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 6/10/2009 4:25:44 PM |
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#19: Innovation is in the eye of the user. For me, the Ribbon UI is a great innovation. For you, it's probably just a different way of doing the same old thing.
Does Microsoft over-trumpet its creativity and inventiveness? You bet! Every company does. It's called marketing. Latch, you really do have tunnel vision when it comes to criticizing Microsoft. Sometimes it's deserved, but in this case, I think a wider field of vision or a thicker skin is more appropriate. |
| #21 By 92283 (142.32.208.233) at 6/10/2009 5:13:15 PM |
| #19 You lost. Quit whining. |
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