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Microsoft gains familiar ally in IE antitrust battle in Europe | |
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| Time: 13:37 EST/18:37 GMT | News Source: ComputerWorld | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Microsoft Corp. gained a familiar ally in its latest antitrust battle with the European Commission today, when the Association for Competitive Technology (ACT) was accepted as an interested third party in the case. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/21/2009 8:16:24 AM |
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One that's on the MS payroll? Hasn't ACT always been an MS front? Who's next, CompTIA followed closely by Rob Enderle & Associates?
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| #2 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 4/22/2009 9:56:18 AM |
| Here's to Private organizations using the police power of the state to compete. Ah, nothing like a dose of idiocy in the morning. |
| #3 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/22/2009 10:09:06 AM |
| #3: When your competition is using blatantly illegal tactics, then in order for there to be real competition you must enforce a level playing field. Like other MS supporters here on AW before you, you're trying to portray this as bad somehow. It's bad for Microsoft, certainly, but good for everyone else -- consumers included. |
| #4 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 4/22/2009 10:53:48 AM |
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#3... First, in Europe there are plenty of things that are illegal that are illogical and anti competitive. Again my reference to the long arm of the law.
Second. "consumers included". No consumer, to my knowledge, has ever had a gun put to its head to buy an MS product. When that happens... and only that will I agree that MS's liberty should be limited. Until then, MS should be allowed to do w/e it wants. The level playing field I want enforced is allowing consumers to choose which product they want. Sun, Oracle, IBM, Apple etc. have had every opportunity to sell their products to the masses. And yes I find it bad when private entities get politicians to "level the playing field" for them using Police Power. Giving the Government the ability to choose how products are manufactured outside of protecting conumers from Fraud or hidden damages is a slipper slope we've been sliding down for decades. |
| #5 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 4/22/2009 11:01:24 AM |
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Forgot to mention. I had to laugh when I saw "Not surprisingly, von Tetzchner agreed. "Microsoft wouldn't have the market share they have without the tying of IE with Windows," he said." in a related article.
Back in the IE vs Netscape battle, IE was seriously better than netscape. IE 4.01 was fantastic. With Firefox was Microsoft's only real comptetitor and *GASP* even with IE installed by Default it is bringing the heat to IE. Opera's problem is they are charging for a product that is too integral to everyday use on an OS. While opera is a great browser... its never been worth the money in many consumers eyes. There just isn't enough value to add to beat out IE/Safari. |
| #6 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/22/2009 11:32:58 AM |
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#4: Consumers benefit from increased competition and innovation, which both come as byproducts of a healthy market. Here, have a read on how Microsoft's anti-competitive and illegal actions have hurt the computing ecosystem:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090421111327711 |
| #7 By 92283 (142.32.208.233) at 4/22/2009 6:29:31 PM |
| #6 Open source is about stifling innovation. They attempt to steal the best of their competitors ideas, make a half-assed clone, and then give it away for free and then proclaim that no one should touch the better featured proprietary software because it has "Proprietary Cooties" (tm). |
| #8 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 4/22/2009 10:02:18 PM |
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#7, Exactly! and well said!
There are many here that have created products of various types they understand how hard it is to do. And half-baked is exactly what I think when I run any desktop version of Linux. I like some of them and enjoy seeing how close to a Windows experience I can generate - but that is always the goal, seeing how close to the real thing I can get. It is often a pain in the backside, but it is a fun exercise to see how fast I can do it. Xandros is a fav as is Mint, but for different reasons. However fun it is, the experience is no where near what Vista, or Win7 provide. |
| #9 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/23/2009 8:10:21 AM |
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#7: Everything you said is hilarious in the context of a Microsoft supporter. MS has stifled innovation for years with their dubious patents and vague patent threats. Microsoft hasn't created a market segment, ever. They wait for others to do so and then copy them. Everything MS has ever done has been a copy of something else, so for you to try that schtick with FOSS is shameful and embarrassing, and maybe a tad hypocritical.
#8: You're so predictable. Your fawning over parkkker when he blows kisses to MS or slams Linux is kind of sickening in how contrived and insincere it is. However fun it is, the experience is no where near what Vista, or Win7 provide. You're right there. I've been using Vista for many months now and "fun" is not an adjective that I would use to describe its usage. And who cares that much about the "experience" of using a tool anyway? Only MS marketing and their army of bots fixate on the buzzword "experience". The rest of us just want to get our work done. |
| #10 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 4/23/2009 10:53:21 AM |
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No, no we don't... we are human beings and just working is not the only thing we want to do....
We want to learn new things and try new things and many, like myself, like to explore many new operating systems and 'experience' what they have to offer. We like to examine them and challenge ourselves and test our own and the limits of any 'new' system. You are right about one thing however, when we have to work, we boot up into Windows and 'just get our work done" - over a billion people share the exact same opinion. An my opinion is less valid and worthy of existing, because....? it happens to be my own and I share it? Or because my contributions here and in life in general may lend weight to those opinions, which conflict with your own? Which is it, Latch? It is true, I enjoy exploring and experiencing many operating systems and technologies. It is also true that the *nix do not yet come close to the 'experience' delivered by Windows Vista. Vista is not only better, it is vastly better and yes, that is my opinion. Where that opinion is consistent with Parker's analysis, I will say so and when I choose to. I guess in the land of social populism you preach from, that is no longer to be allowed, right? That by the way my friend, is exactly how the national socialists used to talk - you know... those that are thought to have been ultra "right" that were actually 200 miles left of social democrates. We called it fascism then and we still do. |
| #11 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/23/2009 11:56:47 AM |
| #10: You're entitled to your opinion and I don't protest your posting it, but I have every right to call you out for applauding parkkker's hypocritical posting just to support a fellow microbot. I mean, it's very galling for you to support claims that FOSS does nothing but copy when Microsoft didn't even create its first product, but instead bought and rebadged the work of someone else. Then they copied the Mac user interface, and on and on and on. Word copied WordPerfect, Excel copied Lotus 1-2-3, PowerPoint copied Harvard Graphics, IE copied Netscape... it never ends. But FOSS is a copier and Microsoft is an innovator. Bizarre. |
| #12 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 4/23/2009 8:04:36 PM |
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Latch, forget copying - they all 'copy' and they should. Many cross license great ideas, too - happens all the time. Good for all of them.
I am speaking about the total product and what it delivers and after spending a great many hours in many OSes, Windows Vista blows the others away. That is my opinion and it speaks to my perceptions about fit and finish and over all quality and dare I say again, what I "experience." It does not mean it is not 'fun' to experiment with many OSes and challenge myself to see how fas I can bend one the way I want to. Frankly, I know Windows as I run it, so well that tuning it is all muscle memory. The *nix, which I don't work with as often, require that I think and hunt and poke and poke some more (the physical act of entering commands). Powershell is changing that and early versions of Exchange 2007 were 'fun' in the same way. |
| #13 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/24/2009 2:16:31 PM |
| #12: Funny, that's not what you said when you commented "Exactly! and well said!" to parkkker's claims that FOSS sits back and copies others when Microsoft does *exactly* the same thing. I must have missed the part where you corrected parkkker in that all companies copy fom each other. Maybe I'm no good at reading between the lines/pixels. |
| #14 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 4/25/2009 7:05:07 AM |
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It's true that they do - copy that is, and it is also true that the distros are not as good as Windows. It's also true that *nix/Linux have a long way to go in terms of fit and finish.
Run them side by side and try to do the exact same things and you'll see. |
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