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| Time: 00:36 EST/05:36 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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In March, Microsoft announced that their upcoming Internet Explorer 8 would: "use its most standards compliant mode, IE8 Standards, as the default."
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| #1 By 140154 (221.128.202.126) at 9/1/2008 3:46:52 AM |
| The author of this article is Opera's CEO? And ppl wonder why Opera has 0.x % marketshare. :P |
| #2 By 72426 (69.144.82.159) at 9/1/2008 3:59:11 AM |
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#1 - Agree...
Sadly it further demostrates that Opera doesn't understand corporate or business computing better to realize that in-house (intrAnet) systems are hard coded to specific browsers for efficiency. There are reasons IE is used in corporations over Firefox and Opera, including easy deployment and policy control, and this article screams that Opera wants no part of corporate infrastructure if their CEO doesn't even 'get' the basics of the needs of business and intranet environments. (Once companies update their INTERNAL web sites, they can simply throw a policy switch and all the IE8 browser in the entire company work with the new sites automatically, this is an elegant solution that doesn't break crap.) Microsoft for once seems to get it, and is STILL moving forward with leaving IE8 defaulted to standards mode for internet progression. I suggest everyone that disapproves of FUD marketing make a stand and uninstall Opera and send them a note why... |
| #3 By 12071 (84.224.1.117) at 9/1/2008 4:53:07 AM |
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I wish more senior management had a similar technical understanding as Opera's CEO. It's nice to see them have a clue what they're talking about - technically.
You can't really be surprised by this decision of Microsoft's - they have a lot of corporate clients who they do not want to p*ss off too much whilst at the same time attempting to comply with standards. The unfortunate side effect is that whilst Microsoft isn't limiting standards as much as it previously was - it still is. This is a bit of a non-story really as only the Microsoft faithful had any hope of Microsoft complying with their promise. |
| #4 By 72426 (69.144.82.159) at 9/1/2008 5:16:13 AM |
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#3 Yes a lot of CEOs have very little technical understanding, but this does not 'elevate' Opera's CEO to even a merger level of 'technical understanding'. In fact a lot of people would use this demonstration of 'technology' to be an argument against them having anything but very basic technical understanding.
If I can pull a newly A+ certified IT tech off the line and have them go, holy crap this person really doesn't get it, then I wonder what 'constitutes' true technical understanding in your mind? If you are looking for technical understanding of CEOs, this is not one I would champion. |
| #5 By 12071 (84.224.31.2) at 9/1/2008 3:43:51 PM |
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#4 Champ... I never said he had true technical understanding or anything of the sort nor would I expect anyone at CEO level to have a true technical understanding as their primary function is not that of a technical expert. I simply said that it's nice to see a CEO with some technical understanding - I remember reading a few other interviews with him in the past and whilst he's no technical architect he's not someone you can trick with technical lingo either.
What he says or doesn't say is really none of my business - I don't use Opera for a wide variety of reasons, although I can quite easily demonstrate the area where it does excel in and in fact leaves many other browsers for dead. My point was that it's nice to see someone like that call out Microsoft on yet another broken promise - something they do better than anyone else when it comes to any standard not belonging to them. On the flip side - you can't really fault Microsoft from a business point of view - they're doing the right thing by their clients but at the expense of the technical point of view which is what Opera's CEO is getting at. |
| #6 By 7754 (24.118.134.93) at 9/1/2008 4:29:27 PM |
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"we know that many, if not most, pages viewed in IE8 will not be shown in standards mode... by default, intranet pages are not viewed in standards mode."
Who on earth thinks that "many, if not most" pages are intranet pages???? I can totally appreciate why that setting would be the default, even for home users (e.g., home router admin sites, etc.). For business users, they typically have the management utilities available (GPO, etc.) to turn off the setting once they're ready to turn off this default setting. If anything, I'd argue that this setting encourages standards, since it encourages enterprises to adopt IE8 (standards-mode for the internet) even if their internal pages don't support it. |
| #7 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 9/1/2008 6:52:06 PM |
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That would be a great stat to have, bluvg. Whats the ratio of intranet pageviews to internet pageviews... across all users.
PERSONALLY, my intra/inter ratio is probably 30% |
| #8 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at 9/2/2008 10:31:45 AM |
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Not at all scientific by any means... but every customer we have has and uses an Intranet/Extranet site as their home page and about 40% are restricted to that environment and vertically oriented web sites/apps. As with the balance of the platform, IE 6/7/8 are consistently configured via GPO for business.... appropriately, the dog waggeth his tail.
Naively, a small, very vocal technical minority with a disproportionate share of voice, seem to want said tail to wag not just their own dogs, but everyone else’s, too. and for the IE 8 team... IE 8 BETA 2 + DEP for all programs, + HW NX + ASLR = an IE 8 B2 crash on launch when using WSS V3 and the Advanced Presence Token with LCS client 2005/2007 (on Vista Ult x64). |
| #9 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/2/2008 1:21:42 PM |
| MS wouldn't be in this mess to begin with if they hadn't sacrificed standards support over the past decade for their failed browser lock-in strategy. Life was good for MS when it could do as it pleased and most web pages looked like crap in anything other than IE. Those days are gone. Now MS has just started to get standards (both in the 'understand' and 'purchase' contexts) and why they might be important, but they have a lot of undoing to do. I think what they've done is the right way to go in this instance. |
| #10 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at 9/2/2008 5:17:56 PM |
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"standards" as they exist today evolved over a very long time and were themselves, inconsistent.
"standards" in many cases, were evolved to magnify "quirks" in IE's rendering engine, which a relative few hang around Microsoft's neck like some pork chop... and don't think for a second that all these "standards" were prescribed by MS/US friends either. A couple of things, phrases really, come to mind when I hear the word "standards" in this context... "oh shuddup... and STFU" are two... depends on the day and how much time I feel like recounting the history. Recalling forty years ago, writing man-machine readable messaging formats and get this, "TAGs" for fields, can make a man mighty grumpy when seeing and hearing a bunch of snots go on about "standards" Oh... and yeah... there were real standards - we should have DEMANDED that they were adhered to. |
| #11 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 9/5/2008 10:20:43 AM |
| #10: Oh come on! Can you just stop polishing MS for even a second?? Do you really believe that web standards were created to embarrass Microsoft? It doesn't surprise me one bit that you want to say STFU when someone mentions standards. It makes perfect sense. MS hates standards because they are anathema to lock-in, so naturally you hate them too. Can't have your master being continually embarrassed, can you? |
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