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Vista's 11 Pillars of Failure | |
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| Time: 23:47 EST/04:47 GMT | News Source: PC Magazine | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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John C. Dvorak:While the public's attention seems to be swinging toward Windows 7 (the next iteration of the OS)—a topic I'll address in the weeks ahead—the fact of the matter is that Vista remains. And it seems that the OS now has two distinct groups of users. One group happily uses Vista, with few concerns or complaints. In fact, many of them are baffled by all the grumbling. The other group is the fist-shaking Vista bashers who condemn each and every flaw the OS exhibits.
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| #1 By 29967 (72.221.79.220) at 4/24/2008 12:52:42 AM |
| its SO easy to be an armchair quarterback..... i swear, some people make it seem like it should be EASY to rebuild windows from the ground up every 2 years and have it work flawlessly. Are they kidding?? |
| #2 By 531 (58.186.119.110) at 4/24/2008 4:53:49 AM |
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Dvorak is an idiot who is fighting to stay relevant, so he writes inflammatory stories like this one without actually thinking. At all.
Gee, John. Thanks for compiling a list of things that everyone has already heard. I don't know what we'd do without you. I hope you die in a gutter. |
| #3 By 3746 (216.16.225.210) at 4/24/2008 7:16:15 AM |
| Next week he is going to post and article about how great Server 2008 is. |
| #4 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/24/2008 8:33:15 AM |
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Perhaps some of you could, I don't know, maybe refute what he has to say instead of attacking him personally? Oh wait, I forgot that it's easier to dismiss him then to try and counter what he has to say, because that's hard and he's probably right.
#2: That's a disgusting comment. You want him to die in a gutter because he isn't fawning over Microsoft??? I think you need to log off every now and then and go outside. Computers aren't that important that you would wish a horrible death on someone because they're criticizing your beloved Microsoft. |
| #5 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 4/24/2008 8:34:40 AM |
| IMO, Server 2008 is a great OS; we have already budgeted the transition to it. |
| #6 By 88850 (221.128.147.249) at 4/24/2008 8:47:51 AM |
| I felt like closing the page the moment I saw that cheeky picture of John Dvorak. Then I read just the bolded points. I bet he doesn't even know or understand what WinFS was and how it functioned. First go and learn some data modeling, then bitch about it. And from 2006-2008-eternity, why do ppl moan about the same points over and over again and again and again. Now the whole world knows that Vista is slow, Vista was unstable before SP1, Vista had driver issues. |
| #7 By 3746 (216.16.225.210) at 4/24/2008 9:09:01 AM |
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oh come on latch. You of all people should be the last to tell people that should back up what they say with actual facts. How many times have i seen you drop snarky one liners or other posts with no collaborating info. |
| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/24/2008 10:33:03 AM |
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#7: I don't know, how many times? Do you have any facts to back that up?
Listen, we can get into a stupid game of challenging every single thing each other says, but that's a pointless exercise. Besides, facts aren't facts when they collide with pro-MS spin. Everything negative about MS is somehow a positive when presented by Microbots. |
| #9 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at 4/24/2008 11:25:50 AM |
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Vista's Asshats has to be followed by "Vista's Zipper Heads"
Mr. Dvorak is no dummy and no fool - there's money in Vista and Microsoft bashing and he's pulling it down. Posting links to his articles, discussing it, and each of our threads benefits him financially. Mr. Dvorak is seasoned, too - experienced and smarter than many in his field. He attacks MS and Vista more universally and he avoids common missteps so he can maintain some flexibility "just in case" MS's MESH strategy works and as Vista matures, it becomes quite popular... he has to have some room to move. Does it mean what he writes and says is valid? Not hardly, but that has never been a requirement in our industry. Latch is a lot like him - he debates pretty effectively and one can tell there is a solid mind behind his remarks. The question one has to ask is what the underlying motivations are. In Mr. Dvorak's case one can assume he wants to make more money - so he'll say and write what fires people up and remain in the game (whatever the game is these days). Latch, by comparison, seems to be to be motivated by different, more personal reasons - something of a personal mission, which by its nature is easier to respect - despite how much I disagree with him. Comments like, "I hope you die" are actually very funny when spoken in the right context - under the goat-skin as it were and usually said in pure jest. Slagging as it is, is common among men and certainly common in our unit. We slag with great abandon and each is an expression of affection. Back to the zippers... Truly, any person who cares to can have a great computing experience using Vista can do so and for very little cost. It is not at all hard and in fact, far easier than ever before. Mr. Dvorak could if he wanted to, but he does not. There's money in bashing it; there's money in skipping it, or pretending to. The question zippers need to ask is what they will do as Microsoft and the ecosystem around its products "works" - and they are working. Companies as powerful as Microsoft don't go quietly and frankly, they have faced worse than a steep ramp up to a new OS. I'm betting they will not only find their way, but lead others as they do. It is human nature to be critical of any successful person and or company. We love to watch others fall. It’s sick and sad, but it is true and any person of modest means understands exactly what I mean. |
| #10 By 8556 (12.210.39.82) at 4/24/2008 11:27:04 AM |
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I use Vista on 3 of 4 computers. However, from a consumer point of view Dvorek is more right on these points than he is wrong. It is his style to push people's buttons and ignite debate, as evidenced in this forum. If anyone would like to calmly and professionaly refute some or all of the points he made, please proceed.
#5: Was Dvorak wrong about WinFS? Take the ripping emotion out of his words, reconsider them, and the say why he is wrong. Didn't MS overlay SQL onto NTFS with the presumption that they would get the hybrid to evolve into WinFS, which was to be an efficient ala PICK? |
| #11 By 8556 (12.210.39.82) at 4/24/2008 11:32:57 AM |
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#9 Lloyd: Your deeply considered words are lucid as usual. Dvorak is quite a pro at his job. He could have chosen ANY operating system, or program, and ripped at the seams until it unraveled. Vista was simply an easy target. 6 years ago it was XP. Dvorak has commented that if he didn't stir up emotions he wasn't doing his job effectively.
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| #12 By 45754 (83.87.101.132) at 4/24/2008 11:38:48 AM |
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#9 Would you suggest not to link to these kind of articles again?
Personally i always like to read the discussion in the comments on AW after posting it. My main goal is to post what's living in the Windows community, that doesn't mean i agree with it. |
| #13 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at 4/24/2008 11:50:53 AM |
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Hi Kenneth, hope you are well.
Yes, do post these - they are provocative and part of the human theater that makes life both more interesting and cause for taking ourselves less seriously. I think your instincts are right on. This site is great because it is both diverse and sober - in simple terms, where it matters a great deal, people *get it right* - where there is room for snark and levity, it is there by the bucket full. As I was doing yet more tests for the new site, I saw this thread building and sought to offer one interpretation - perhaps to help influence its course and sustain the balance that is unique to Awin. Awin, regardless of the site's technology is the very best, because of that balance. The others are populated with very young people (neowin) or older men that are far too jaded to even have some fun (ZDNET Blogs). Keep posting as you do - you find some gems and keep it rolling. Best to you, Lloyd edited because my hands are old and cold - lol This post was edited by lketchum on Thursday, April 24, 2008 at 11:52. |
| #14 By 82766 (122.107.17.90) at 4/25/2008 2:09:13 AM |
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I easily agree with Lloyds comments about Dvorak as a writer... so very true.
As for the "11 pillars" um, shall we quickly go through them? 1 - There are already multiple sku's of XP - Vista is no different. Anyways, the various legal requirements dictate the multiple sku's - Microsoft is held at gunpoint on that one. 2 - When more and more features and abilities are added (like two whole new subsystems) but the market requires to support the last three code bases (NT, 2000 & XP) what else do you expect? although I don't think we really need 10 minutes of Apollo 13 video :-) 3 - There are no missing components that we're going to miss. The WinFS team has come out and said that its not really a file system. 4 - I have FAR FAR better battery life with my laptop using Vista than I do with XP. 25% longer running times. All of the laptops that I have upgraded to Vista show a similar improvement in battery duration. 5 - Completely mute point and is nothing to do with Vista at all. The drive manfacturers have yet to release CHEAP (read: similar priced capacity hard drives) hybrid hard drives. 6 - Nothing to do with Vista itself but Microsoft bending over for Intel. Politics and nothing else. 7 - 3rd party hardware manufacturers had 3 years to provide "good" drivers... not Microsoft's or Vista fault at all. Why force the new driver model? just look at the "failure" stats that were released... nVidia graphics drivers are responsible for most "Windows" PC crashes. Microsoft changed the video and audio driver model in response to make the OS more stable. 8 - Although we can agree that Microsoft's marketing wasn't as thought through or as "simple" as Apple's, they still (supposedly) spent some US$500 million. That buys a LOT of marketing material! Thousands of websites existed with instructional information, full documentation, "how-to" videos appeared on YouTube, etc etc etc. If someone didn't know what to buy or how, IMHO thats their own fault. 9 - XP *is* a great OS... especially for a product thats been on the market for YEARS with three service packs and thousands of patches/hotfixes/etc. ANY OS is going to have a hard time "breaking the XP market strangle hold, including Vista. 10 - John may not have seen much but here in Australia and NZ, we had prime time tv adverts, full page newspaper ad's, flyer's in the mailboxes, flyer's sent to businesses, Microsoft ran numerous presentations for those in the industry and the general public - including "just in time" presentations in Malls and street side. Thats far better than any other software manufacturer that I've seen. 11 - Performance... well, I suspect this is a subjective issue. When I was first asked to join the alpha and beta test Vista years ago, I only had a spare HP NC8000 laptop. Google the spec's but lets say it was extreme old school tech; 1.6Ghz P4M, 512Mb, 64Mb dedicated graphics card and a 3600rpm 40Gb hard drive. Vista had drivers for all but the modem. Vista "felt" exactly the same as my XP install. I'm now using an old Dell D820, Dual Core 2 with 2Gb RAM, 256Mb dedicated nVidia graphics, 7200rpm 160Gb hard drive. Vista still feels faster than XP on the same hardware. Let alone the improvements to the UI to move around drives and folders... I can get more done in one hour "using" Vista than I can with XP. This is my opinion... your mileage will vary. |
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