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Longhorn - next gen Windows goes 3D? | |
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| Time: 08:55 EST/13:55 GMT | News Source: Toms Hardware Guide | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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At WinHEC details are emerging of the graphics infrastructure for Longhorn, Microsoft's next generation Windows. The graphics interface at the driver level is going to be all DirectX 9.0, and the door is being left wide open for moving the Windows UI completely 3D. Microsoft has already started to tax the GPU on the PC with all its plans for "media rich experiences," as company execs like to call anything loud and colorful, but Longhorn is going to be a field day for the graphics industry. As one Microsoft developer told us, there's going to be no let up on the GPU with Longhorn. Finally, Microsoft is starting to think seriously about raising the base level graphics bar for Windows. We'll have more coverage of Longhorn's graphics architecture in our WinHEC converage tomorrow. | ||
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| #1 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 4/17/2002 9:29:39 AM |
| Yep lol |
| #2 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 4/17/2002 10:01:41 AM |
| #3 - I doubt it personally as that TaskGallery idea is now about 3 years old (possibly older now) |
| #3 By 10 (12.221.35.15) at 4/17/2002 12:14:43 PM |
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yeah that MS Research page is another vision from another time...that idea isnt what we'll see in Longhorn..in fact, I believe the interface will be more comparable to the X-Box "Dashboard" interface..this is the direction windows is heading..trust me..and it's cool..heh :P
take a look: http://www.xbox.com/system/dashboard101.htm or here: http://www.rezn8.com/projects/index.asp?branding/index.asp?MSXbox This post was edited by Tegument on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 12:27. |
| #4 By 2459 (66.25.124.8) at 4/17/2002 12:51:47 PM |
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I think what Microsoft is aiming for by having the desktop 3D accelerated is to take advantage the speed and efficency benefits gained from having a fully accelerated desktop. The desktop, itself, may mirror today's desktop in basic form, they would just render using D3D but have a flat Z plane. This is where GDI+ has been going, layering GDI+ onto DirectX and sharing D3D's driver model, allowing them to mix various elements (video, 3D, traditional 2D elements, etc.) more efficently than wih current 2D rendering (no costly state changes, etc.). This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 12:53. |
| #5 By 2459 (66.25.124.8) at 4/17/2002 1:42:07 PM |
| DirectX 9 is supposed to support .NET |
| #6 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 4/17/2002 2:01:26 PM |
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montanagrizzly - Yes, XP uses the video much moreso than 2k or NT. I have no problems at all with the UI dressing of XP using either an Intel 815 chipset video, or a ATI Radeon VE. The ATI Rage is actually quite a bad video card, I have one of those in my NT4 box at work, and the video is really slow just doing 2D work. My old RivaTNT card was faster than the ATI Rage.
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| #7 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 4/17/2002 4:50:04 PM |
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No, it will not be some drastic change like you people are thinking.
I have been saying this for some time, and that is that Microsoft should start using DirectX to render the UI elements. Right now we have a completely 2D interface that is made to look 3d-ish via drop shadowing, curving and lighting effects, etc.... but with DirectX rendering the UI, you have an actual 3D environment that looks more real and better. |
| #8 By 1868 (141.133.144.204) at 4/17/2002 5:27:17 PM |
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Think people, Think!
The only reason that MS is giving any credit to the idea of a 3d windows environment is so that it can beef up its bottomline! Lets face it, for most users there isn't any more functionality that can truly warrant the cost of upgrading to Longhorn. Therefore, MS has had to fall onto eye candy. When MS turns windows into a 3d system, then they can see people upgrading their hardware conponents and wanting to continue to stay on the cutting edge by continually upgrading to the newer cards which MS will cater to with "advanced" features. The only reason for a 3d environment is so that MS can justify the need for users to upgrade to newer versions of their software. If MS wants me or any of my clients to upgrade to Longhorn, my answer will be a resounding "No" until MS builds in some truly useful and necessary upgraded features not eyecandy. |
| #9 By 1868 (141.133.144.204) at 4/17/2002 5:27:27 PM |
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This post was edited by Zeo01 on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 17:27. |
| #10 By 5444 (208.180.245.59) at 4/17/2002 6:03:23 PM |
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double post. when it said if faile:( This post was edited by eldoen on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 19:40. |
| #11 By 5444 (208.180.245.59) at 4/17/2002 6:03:29 PM |
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#20,
There is ALOT more functionality being built into the OS than just a 3d interface. One a common FS based Yukon would be worth the upgrade price alone. As long as other programs fall in line with it. Outlook useing the yukon data store instead of the jet datastore for example. .net more fully integrated with the OS. Which the 3d interface hints at. (we know for instance that direct X 9 will be .net compatable. and I do agree with others that it will not be the drastic changes. Imagine the windows of today with real 3d effects instead of simulated effects. It may offer some new UI interaction. but I doubt it will be a big change. There will be a MORE secure underpinnings for the OS also. I imagine they move most of the OS Layer on top of .net fo enforce security features. (which will be a generation before, it was suppose to happen) I also imagine, that most configuration files will move from propietary binary formats to XML based files. And of course the standard support for more hardware. But the 2 biggest changes will be the .net framework integration and the sql based fs. el This post was edited by eldoen on Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 06:20. |
| #12 By 5444 (208.180.245.59) at 4/17/2002 8:01:04 PM |
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jagged,
I keep getting error messages when I posted. when I thought I couldn't post I gave up. came back an hour later and there were like 6 posts;( El |
| #13 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 4/17/2002 8:56:12 PM |
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eldoen:
Another big thing is getting away from the registry. Instead of installing applications into the registry, in .NET all you have to do is copy it to the harddrive and it's installed. |
| #14 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 4/17/2002 11:11:12 PM |
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I agree #23... PLEASE innovate my desktop. Don't let silly Apple have all the fun.
I love how everyone rode Microsoft, for years... for never innovating... for always "stealing" or "borrowing" ideas. But you don't hear them saying that these days. Microsoft is now truly innovating on many many fronts [hardware, video games, UI, interoperability (.NET), accessability (Mira, Freestyle), convergence (UltimateTV, SmartPhone, PocketPC Phone Edition). Kudos MSFT! |
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