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Researchers pooh-pooh Mac OS X Leopard security | |
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| Time: 07:04 EST/12:04 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner | ||
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The first independent reviews of the security enhancements in Mac OS X Leopard are in — and they’re not entirely pleasant for the folks in Cupertino. First up is Heise Security’s takedown of the new application-based firewall in Leopard, which Apple promises will specify the behavior of specific applications to either allow or block incoming connections. The new firewall in Leopard isn’t the only security feature being pooh-poohed by security researchers. According to Thomas Ptacek (right), co-founder of Matasano Security, Apple’s implementation of memory randomization in Leopard doesn’t make the operating system immune from virus and worm attacks. For starters, Ptacek found that the dynamic linker library (dyld) is not randomized. “From what I can tell, ten different Leopard Macs booted at ten different times will have the same offset to dyld,” Ptacek said in a first-take on Leopard security. | ||
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| #1 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/31/2007 9:49:40 AM |
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as well they should - and at the same time, praise Windows Vista's
Unlike OS X, Vista's firewall distinguishes very easily between "private" [read, trusted] networks and "public" [untrusted] networks. When in public, Vista locks a system down and proctects it - as when on a coffee shop's wireless. OS X [regardless of version], doesn't have anything like this. A'course we'll all have to continue to watch our press give OS X one journalistic BJ after another... |
| #2 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 10/31/2007 11:41:06 AM |
| #1: Yep. Just like the journalistic BJs that Vista and Microsoft gets here. |
| #3 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 10/31/2007 1:09:58 PM |
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#2, we can just leave that to Paul Thurrott ;-)
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| #4 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 10/31/2007 1:36:12 PM |
| #2: This is completely opposite you and Latch waiting for Microsoft to bend over and pick up the proverbial bar of soap. |
| #5 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/31/2007 2:03:10 PM |
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I do assess there is a distinct difference between what paid journalists and jounalistic enterprises do, and what a lay individual such as myself has to offer by way of opinion - however rooted in experience such an opinion might otherwise be.
One is read by perhaps millions and carries considerable weight - where what a post made by someone like me is read by perhaps 10 people - two of which will read the entire thing and the rest will scroll on by, shaking their heads... No, the "J" to which I refer is real - sad part is, it's not offered out of some kind of love, but paid for... Our industry press needs to serve the people better. It doesn't. And for goodness sake, Microsoft needs to really emphasize in the marketing and advertising, just how much better Vista's security actually is - right up there with how much control and management even SOHO and SMB customers can exercise over it. I mean, think about it... our press has succeeded almost too well, in characterizing Vista's security as simply annoying - suggesting users stay with XP. If it cost MS a billion dollars in air time, they need to hammer home just how wrong headed such nonsense is. If they can't "get" the press, well... they need to buy it. This post was edited by lketchum on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 at 14:04. |
| #6 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 10/31/2007 2:42:15 PM |
| #5: Part of MS' problem is that people have learned that you can't believe what they say. Each successive version of Windows was touted as being secure, when history showed that it as just PR crapola. So now when they say Vista is so much more secure, everyone says "Yeah yeah, we've heard it all before." Credibility is the issue. They are fighting against their own history. Plus, as I've said before, security is something that you can't announce. It's something that is established over time and Vista is less than a year old. So far, so good though. There hasn't been anything major with Vista that I'm aware of. |
| #7 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 10/31/2007 6:33:28 PM |
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reading latch&2sugars comment... you *almost* forget the dozen times he has called out others... for making mention of osX security... in the comment section of a microsoft security story.
hello kettle, meet the black coffee pot |
| #8 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 10/31/2007 9:33:43 PM |
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#7: It seems to me that Ketchum started on the Vista thing in this thread, but don't jump on him for it or he won't throw you a biscuit.
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| #9 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/31/2007 11:41:35 PM |
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#8, Are we to consider OS X's security in isolation of more secure alternatives? Are we to ignore the very real and significant progress Microsoft has made? Are we supposed to continue to suspend disbelief and pretend that OS X, or the other *nix are invulnerable?
I guess we are - in the people's republic of latch-land, we'll simply pretend the clouds of smoke aren't actually spewing from the tail pipes of little cars made of pressed paper. We'll lap up dated skim milk and pretend it is cream and queue up to try and fetch a roll of wood chip laden crap paper - all so happily marching in step with ideals long ago tossed on the scrapheap of computing history - and yes, I am speaking of the *nix - the uni-version - the teaching tool with its bolt-on packages - the remnants of student work and the non-commercial baby brother to the Multices that passed away ahead of its younger sibling. Or perhaps we'll wake up and while we'll respect our past as we should, we'll embrace what we don't know and work to reach and build a better future - one based upon far more modern technologies born of equally advanced ideas, methods and practices. It really is about choice - I hope it is an informed one each of us makes. This post was edited by lketchum on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 at 23:42. |
| #10 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 11/1/2007 2:45:00 AM |
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latch are u really this uncomfortable with the mechanics of conversation?
lloyd consistently adds valuable comments, regardless of the article (osX or vista). you, on the other hand, routinely chastise others for making off-topic (osx on windows' articles) comments. then, you hypocritically do the same (windows on osx articles). shall i now explain to you why the sky is blue? I'll trade you that explanation, if you can email me your treatise on why coffee should always be stirred in clockwise motions, regardless of which hemisphere the drinker finds himself. |
| #11 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 11/1/2007 7:46:03 AM |
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#10: "lloyd consistently adds valuable comments, regardless of the article (osX or vista)"
Gee, I wish we could say the same about you. You must lead a very boring life, to have so much time to scrutinize every comment Latch makes just to find the smallest little thing to complain about and waste bandwidth over. And for the record, his comment was far more useful than any you have made in this thread. His comment of "Plus, as I've said before, security is something that you can't announce. It's something that is established over time and Vista is less than a year old. So far, so good though. There hasn't been anything major with Vista that I'm aware of." is far more useful than your constantly useless posts. So Pot, stop calling the kettle black. No one likes a hypocrite. |
| #12 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 11/2/2007 6:21:04 AM |
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cue mysticsentinel to support his brotherNarms.
mystic, nice use of debate tactic 217... "when losing, change the debate topic". |
| #13 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 11/2/2007 8:08:18 AM |
| #12: I see you are still a hypocrite. For a prime example of debate tactic 217, see your own post at #10, which was a complete change of topic. I guess that you are using debate tactic 218. Change the debate topic, and then when someone else responds to the new topic, accuse them of changing the topic. |
| #14 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 11/2/2007 10:19:10 PM |
| stop using debate tactic 219: "when losing, aim to confuse by alternatively 1) making accusations and 2) sounding like a babbling fool" |
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