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| Time: 02:45 EST/07:45 GMT | News Source: WinBeta | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Designers and engineers at Microsoft R&D centre in India have a new mandate for development of Windows 7, the next generation operating system from Microsoft Corporation, slated for release in 2009-10. This new operating system will have in-built features to address networking-related issues, virtualisation that helps create separate machines within a PC and various plug-ins for accessories for the new OS. The Senior Vice-President, Windows Core Operating System Division, Mr Jon DeVaan, said they have created the necessary platform for development work in India following a recent meeting of the Windows 7 group at Redmond, the Microsoft headquarters. This team headed by Mr Sunil Bansali, and comprising members of the Windows and Windows Live development teams, has now been given the task of working on the next generation operating system. | ||
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| #1 By 44902 (80.233.142.12) at 8/4/2007 5:27:43 AM |
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Wow! This OS will be even worse than Vista...
Vista was only tested in India... Disaster is coming! Luckily, we will not see any releases in next 50+ years! :) This post was edited by BlackTigerAP on Saturday, August 04, 2007 at 05:28. |
| #2 By 47330 (24.17.171.75) at 8/4/2007 7:53:53 AM |
| they are not developing the whole thing in india, just part of it. Gee, man...you shouldn't criticize something that hasn't come out yet... at least wait until it come out....LOL |
| #3 By 26048 (12.180.14.185) at 8/4/2007 9:21:41 AM |
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By the time Microsoft actually releases anything, it probably will br stripped of all features that are contemplated today and merely be another slopped up featureless slug.
By its final release date PC's will also be vastly different. If it is ready by 2114 it will be so different from today. The good news is that they are doing their work close to China, so the pirate's costs will be much lower. The cost to the average consumer will be around $1700. Poor Wm Gatesn he is no longer the wealthiest in the world, now. This could further his slide from the top. Carlos Slim is #1. |
| #4 By 83030 (86.219.236.105) at 8/4/2007 9:53:14 AM |
| I have to say - i am a bit shocked by the comments so far - which kind of make me believe you have a problem with things done in India. If i have understood correctly, you should really wake up - and have a look. There are hard working, seriously smart people doing great stuff in India. I tell you - i have absolutely no problem with Microsoft getting some of the work done there. Besides, you're going to have to get used to this like it or not - their economy is booming. |
| #5 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 8/4/2007 11:02:33 AM |
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#4, I'm with you. There are so many great people around this world - a good many in and coming from India. A few years ago I was very blessed to have a guy show up at our office door - an interesting man that was looking for work, and yes, he was from India. He didn't know a thing about computers, programming, or anything related to what we do, but there was a quality about him and I liked him immediately. I hired him on the spot and began to train him. His learned skills were in electrical power management and conversion and he very quickly ramped up in all areas - frankly, I have never met a man with a greater ability to learn and self-train that he has. We've become very close - as close as brothers and I have met few people as noble, good humored and so willing to give so much to get a job done. He's been promoted many times and today leads some very tough projects. A few years later, his brother needed work [you can't really imagine how hard it is for people of color, STILL!!! - to really get the opportunities many take for granted]. I hired him, too and worked with him to develop his skills in our areas of work. His background was in publishing. Like his brother, he too ramped up and worked like a mule to learn as fast as he could. Today he is as capable as any developer I have seen with many more years experience than he has. We work together every day and I love what they bring to our teams and family. We are truly blessed in America to have people like this who want to come here and join us as citizens.
I'd do anything for these men - they are amazing, loyal, and incredibly talented. Microsoft is very smart to reach out to the entire world for talent. India is such an amazing place and it is fortunate to have such a wonderful people working to make it better for all. |
| #6 By 8556 (12.210.39.82) at 8/4/2007 12:21:12 PM |
| Remember that most American's primary contact with India has been technical support. The turnover in India is quite high. Often the tech support people are hired solely because they speak English and comprehend English spoken in various dialects. Software engineers anywhere that are competent coders will have no issues, as long as the specs are properly detailed. Good luck with that. |
| #7 By 3653 (68.52.54.161) at 8/4/2007 4:54:16 PM |
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Right on wdowell. The days of belittling the Indian technical person should be gone. Quite frankly, I fear that much of this fun-poking is self-serving... meaning they are belittled because they are doing some of the traditionally American jobs better than the Americans. Hey, I'm patriotic... but not to the point of complete delusion.
bibsireno, you're probably partially right. And its unfortunate that is the extent of most American's contact with this up-and-coming race of people. There must be several million people of Indian ancestry living in America... and many/most are better quintessential "Americans" than those living here for many generations. On the whole, they aren't afraid of a hard days work, they are generally entrepreneurial, and they respect other's personal rights. If immigrants of all stripes could say the same... we'd have far fewer problems today. |
| #8 By 32313 (208.131.186.18) at 8/4/2007 8:26:36 PM |
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BlackTigerAP, I was a part of Windows Vista Technical BETA Program and I don't remember going to India to test it. Also, you seem to be new to the whole world of Windows BETA testing and development. The majority of the operating system was developed in Redmond, Washington at the Microsoft Campus where the majority of the Company's software engineers reside.
Google, Apple, Oracle and many other Company's also do research work in countries such China and India, its not new. So basing Vista's success or failure on a particular race, society/demographic is a bit of on the illiterate side. Get the facts before you type. |
| #9 By 135 (75.73.90.215) at 8/5/2007 11:20:08 AM |
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Right on wdowell. The days of belittling the Indian technical person should be gone. Quite frankly, I fear that much of this fun-poking is self-serving... meaning they are belittled because they are doing some of the traditionally American jobs better than the Americans. Hey, I'm patriotic... but not to the point of complete delusion.
Really? Do you have any emprical evidence to support this claim? Or are you merely talking out of your ass, again? |
| #10 By 48398 (130.13.158.96) at 8/5/2007 1:05:12 PM |
| I don't dislike Indians, I just this it's a load of crap that we're going to them for jobs when there's plenty of people here to employ. I learn faster than an Indian who has no training. Trust me. |
| #11 By 28801 (71.58.231.46) at 8/5/2007 1:40:40 PM |
| Please... Stop the madness. This is about one thing and one thing alone - economics! It is cheaper to outsource development to India than to do the work here. Their economy may be booming but they don't make nearly as much as a US programmer. Can language be a barrier to successfully completing a high profile project in India? Sure it can, but it can be overcome. And no one should belittle the competence of Indian software developers. Good programming skills have no genetic predispositions just as poor programming skills are not governed by geographical boundaries. |
| #12 By 8556 (12.210.39.82) at 8/5/2007 2:05:38 PM |
| The main problem will be the same that it has always been with Microsoft delvelopment, the ability (or inability, to be more historically accurate) to take their vision and translate that into a set of specs that on paper state exactly what needs to be coded. Again, good luck with that. |
| #13 By 7754 (75.72.156.204) at 8/5/2007 7:49:53 PM |
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#9, well, when it comes to math at least, America doesn't have a great track record. For instance, the college math curricula here--and this isn't a diss against the college systems here, many of which are quite excellent, at least beyond the bachelor's level--are generally about 3 years behind compared to Poland, a nation known for its mathematicians. The college texts we're using in our senior year are what they use in their freshman year. Go to nearly any college campus, and you'll find quickly that the math and programming disciplines are populated heavily by foreigners--and many of them are Indians. There are plenty of Indian programmers already in the US, as well.
I think the bottom line is that Indian society places emphasis on these disciplines, and in the US, we don't. Being able to hire 5 competent coders for the price of 1 doesn't hurt, either. We can put our fingers in our ears and play the isolationism game all we want, but it doesn't help anything. It certainly won't address the root of the problem. |
| #14 By 32132 (66.183.175.51) at 8/5/2007 11:37:06 PM |
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You know whats worse than Indians? Canadians!!!!
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/117568.asp "Microsoft announced this morning that it will open a software development center this fall in the Vancouver, B.C., area, with room for hundreds of workers. The company cited Vancouver's proximity to Redmond, its status as "a global gateway with a diverse population" -- and a third reason that could stir further controversy among U.S. policy makers and technology workers: Microsoft said in its news release that the office will help it "recruit and retain highly skilled people affected by immigration issues in the U.S."" Not only will there be Canadians working for Microsoft, but there will be foreigners in Canada working for Microsoft!!!! Yuck! #11 "This is about one thing and one thing alone - economics! " Thats right!!!! With the Canadian dollar worth 95% of what a US Dollar is, Microsoft will save billions!!! (of cents). And Thank God Linux is 100% coded by Amercians ... right! Right? I mean ... who would buy an operating system written by ... Finns. That would be disgusting! This post was edited by NotParker on Sunday, August 05, 2007 at 23:42. |
| #15 By 73040 (68.12.29.94) at 8/5/2007 11:59:35 PM |
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#14 Your views seem alittle Racist,but its freedom of Speech.
I could careless who helps out from were.Logic error/code planning can happen to anyone anywhere on any platform.I think its Great that Microsoft wants to expand to other counties. |
| #16 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 8/6/2007 12:43:30 AM |
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"Microsoft has ... software development centers in places such as India, Ireland, Denmark and Israel."
Oh no!!!! Its worse than I thought! Irish. Danes. And Canadians!!!!! Its the end of the world! |
| #17 By 44902 (77.93.28.94) at 8/6/2007 6:34:56 AM |
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http://www.msfn.org/comments.php?shownews=20726
:D :D :D |
| #18 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 8/6/2007 7:52:35 AM |
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#14: "You know whats worse than Indians? Canadians!!!! "
You only say that cause Latch is Canadian. |
| #19 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 8/6/2007 9:31:21 AM |
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OMG. Even more pile, less performance/stability/security fixes.
ENOUGH with the features. It is a OPERATING SYSTEM, not an application package for heavens sake! Give us a solid, high-performance, secure, stable operating system and let people WRITE the applications for it! I guarantee we'd all be a lot better off. TL |
| #20 By 13030 (198.22.121.110) at 8/6/2007 9:51:13 AM |
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#5, Gems abound, if only one is willing to expend the effort to find them.
I have met good and bad developers from many backgrounds--coding skills are not the domain of Americans. In my work as a consultant, I have had the fortune of meeting some very capable Indian developers and some very incompetent Indian developers. More often than not they were incompetent and when you add in the language barrier, the situation became very challenging for all. Designing software is not just an engineering exercise--it is also an art bolstered by a sense of craftsmanship. Creativity in software design can pay back greatly in innovative, robust, and extensible designs. Many other cultures, especially Asian, do not value the sense of individual expression as much as group unity. When this mentality is applied to a process that is historically the domain of individual expression and inspiration, the result can be lackluster. It's not that any particular Indian is incapable of becoming the software craftsman, but their culture doesn't facilitate this personal empowerment. In a way, the odds are stacked against them. When people say that Indians (or any other developing nation) can produce same quality software as Americans, I disagree. Can they produce software? Sure, just like the Yugoslavians can manufacture automobiles. |
| #21 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 8/6/2007 10:29:22 AM |
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#20 "Many other cultures, especially Asian, do not value the sense of individual expression as much as group unity."
It sounds to me is what you really dislike is open source supporters. Now there is a sheep like group that worships only one thing - hating Microsoft. Those people haven't come up with one original idea ever! And so many foreigners contribute code ... like Finns!!! Ewww!!!! |
| #22 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 8/6/2007 10:30:59 AM |
| #19 You MUST be running Windows Server Core 2008. Right? |
| #23 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 8/6/2007 11:01:03 AM |
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#20, That is very much in line with my point - meaning, we have a lot of different people and ideas and each makes contributions to what the team produces. We have people that do nothing but focus on and obsess about the presentation layer and others that focus on work-flow as it relates to the global UX. And others that make a factory out of statments, queries and procedures [we always do that - take a factory approach and use/re-use parts over and over (optimizing them all along the way)].
You are correct, it is all about balance and it does take a lot of very diverse talent - that is exactly why I think MS is smart for reaching out to the entire planet and very probably why the U.S. has been so successful - how so many different people contribute. |
| #24 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 8/7/2007 1:50:50 PM |
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I think the bottom line is that Indian society places emphasis on these disciplines, and in the US, we don't. Being able to hire 5 competent coders for the price of 1 doesn't hurt, either. We can put our fingers in our ears and play the isolationism game all we want, but it doesn't help anything. It certainly won't address the root of the problem.
So obviously, the solution to this is to not change America to become more competive, but to simply give up and hire Indians have a planet away. Yeah, that makes sense. Why do you guys hate America so much? |
| #25 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 8/7/2007 4:00:04 PM |
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#24 Since you are a Democrat, what has the current congress done to address this issue ... other than spend the money on pork in their own districts?
And of course, being trendy unscientific maroons, the Democrats (with Al Gore leading the way) have made it clear the way to a lucrative career in Science is to write bogus papers about "Man Made" Global Warming and watch the money flow in. I don't think its Microsofts job to make itself less competitive by hiring only Americans since its major competitors don't limit themselves to only Americans. I do think a greater emphais on certain skills would be great for the USA ... but the Democrats aren't interested. |
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