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Microsoft Admits That Windows Vista Was Not Ready for the World in January 2007 | |
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| Time: 04:51 EST/09:51 GMT | News Source: Softpedia | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Microsoft's latest operating system Windows Vista was launched to business on November 30, 2006 and to the general public on January 30, 2007. After the operating system hit the shelves, the first reactions pointed out shortcomings in application, device and hardware compatibility. The end of July is synonymous with six months of availability for Windows Vista, and Microsoft acknowledged that the operating system was not ready for the world back in January. However, the Redmond company twisted the confirmation so that Vista wouldn't be at fault. "Compatibility is now at critical mass with Windows Vista. You know, when we introduced this product on January 30, like all platform introductions, we had introduced it to a world that wasn't quite 100 percent ready for it. There were compatibility issues that remained, there were driver issues that remained. And I can tell you that five and a half months in, that situation has changed, and changed materially," stated Mike Sievert, Corporate Vice President, Windows Product Marketing during the Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference 2007. | ||
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| #1 By 21203 (76.27.192.67) at 7/12/2007 5:57:58 AM |
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Softpedia is now The Inquirer v2!
In any case, MS didn't admit anything. Drivers were to blame, and they still are. The OS isn't at fault if the only fundamental change that has happened is that drivers are more readily available. The even more funny element is that this "report" always happens with the same amount of rhetoric about 3-6 months after every new Microsoft client OS. |
| #2 By 2201 (194.205.219.2) at 7/12/2007 7:55:11 AM |
| #1 spot on. Softpedia's "report" is bad reporting at best. |
| #3 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 7/12/2007 7:56:34 AM |
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To quote the great R. Lee Ermy...
"Well now. No shit." TL |
| #4 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/12/2007 8:14:02 AM |
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to our next episode of "Blame The Messenger!" Today's contestants are mram and testman who can't refute the content of the article and so, instead, will disparage its source.
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| #5 By 81926 (69.154.120.134) at 7/12/2007 8:58:12 AM |
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The Microsoft Corporate VP was quoted as saying, "...we had introduced it to a world that wasn't quite 100 percent ready for it."
The headline of the article says, "Microsoft Admits That Windows Vista Was Not Ready for the World in January 2007" Absolutely totally opposite statements. Wow, even a 5th grader knows the difference in those two statements. |
| #6 By 13030 (198.22.121.110) at 7/12/2007 9:19:54 AM |
| <pyle>Surprise, surprise, surprise!</pyle> |
| #7 By 8556 (12.207.97.148) at 7/12/2007 9:29:46 AM |
| The world (okay, some laptop users) is still waiting for ATI/AMD to release mobile Radeon drivers for Vista that don't crash. Just because Vista fixes the crash on the fly isn't a reason not to fix the video driver. ATI's mobile Radeon, and many other drivers, still need work. As with Windows XP, I expect it to be ten months into the general release before the driver base is solid. I personlly no longer sell notebook computers that have ATI video cards and will not do so until they wake up and service the customer fully. |
| #8 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 7/12/2007 9:40:07 AM |
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The actual and better story here is how quickly effective driver coverage for Vista has evolved as compared to previous versions of Windows. Comparably, it has been much faster, and speaks to how Vista was built and how it can be built upon - both more quickly and at less cost.
Let's take video drivers for example, the new driver model [the WDDM], allows multiple applications to utilize the GPU simultaneously by implementing the following: GPU memory manager-arbitrates video memory allocation GPU scheduler-schedules various GPU applications according to their priority "With these technologies, applications no longer have to cede the GPU when another application requiring its services starts-up. Instead, the GPU is scheduled in a more efficient fashion." Perhaps the most significant change comes with the understanding that under the WDDM and Windows Vista [with properly crafted WDDM drivers!], the need to include code for the support of various device driver interfaces introduced over many years, has been removed [again, ref MSDN and MS TechNet]. Thus, Windows Vista implements only a single interface while ensuring that all the older drivers are recognized and function optimally. It is proper to compare Vista to previous versions of Windows - including initial driver coverage and the rate at which new and better drivers have been developed and delivered. In both cases, Windows Vista has been far better than XP was and even more so than for earlier Windows operating systems. ****To a large extent, consumers can influence the rate at which drivers evolve - GAME as much on your PC's as you do consoles and you'll see better and more rapid driver evolution. Aggressive, high performance drivers begin with Video and drag all else behind them - to support gamers and gaming rigs. We lose the gamers and it's over for all of us - we'll be stuck in the low speed, high drag world of "Good enough, is Good enough" for lame assed web based Google and Live apps... I mean I like toast when I have nothing else, but I still LOVE to eat the bread I bake myself [which I still do, BTW]. |
| #9 By 135 (216.17.26.137) at 7/12/2007 9:44:25 AM |
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I just built a new desktop last night. E6600, 4 Gigs ram, nvidia 7900gs, put into an Antec P180 case. and installed XP on it. When I get time, I'm going to rebuild my laptop with XP instead of Vista.
It's not drivers that makes Vista not ready... it's everything. It's buggy, slow, goes off to lunch at times. To be honest, the same thing happened with XP when it was first released. it wasn't until SP2 before they fixed the majority of the issues. |
| #10 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 7/12/2007 10:18:52 AM |
| Once you go Mac, you don't go back :-) |
| #11 By 135 (216.17.26.137) at 7/12/2007 10:29:46 AM |
| #10 - you don't go forward either. :-) |
| #12 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/12/2007 10:49:30 AM |
| #5: I seriously doubt that the average 5th grader knows how to interpret corporate spin into reality-speak. Yes, it's not that Vista wasn't ready for us, it's that we weren't ready for Vista. Our bad, I guess. Sorry Microsoft, we'll all have to do better next time. Hope we didn't let you down too much. Silly us. |
| #13 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 7/12/2007 10:50:05 AM |
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#10 Apple and Megapatch go together so well.
Another 8 security holes in Quicktime. "Apple has addressed eight security vulnerabilities with the release, which was made public on Wednesday. Four of the flaws are due to memory corruption or integer overflow bugs that could cause the viewer to crash if QuickTime were used to view maliciously crafted movies or files. Another three critical flaws relate to design issues in QuickTime for Java. Attackers could theoretically exploit these flaws by posting malicious Java applets on a Web site, where they could then compromise a victim's computer. A final QuickTime for Java bug could "lead to the disclosure of sensitive information," Apple said in its security alert on the update. " http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/11/Apple-fixes-serious-QuickTime-flaws_1.html |
| #14 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 7/12/2007 10:51:14 AM |
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#10, Isn't that because one has to put one's brain in an empty mayonnaise jar first?
#9, Nice RIG. I use that case for my office WS. |
| #15 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 7/12/2007 12:17:59 PM |
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#9 Vista works really well for me on a much cheaper PC.
#12 When you try Vista we'll spend a couple of seconds considering what you said before laughing at you - instead of 1 second. |
| #16 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 7/12/2007 12:18:13 PM |
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The thing about Mac is that it just works. I don't have to worry about drivers for internal hardware, including the monitor. In fact, I haven't had to install a single driver...not for my new printer, not for any of my hardware, nothing. I haven't even seen a driver CDrom since I bought my Mac.
I bought my first Mac in April (never used one before that), and never would go back to Windows. It literally takes a couple seconds to start up, it's smokin' fast, and I don't get the countless and endless balloon popup notifications. Switching users is instant...with a 3D cube rotate right to the other user. No need to log off, switch user, wait for load. Spotlight is amazingly fast, and there is no need to setup folder hierarchies, as everything can be found in a second. Tiger OS X is so incredibly smooth, fast and well laid out in high res everything. I remember back when I installed Vista on one of my higher end home PC's....talk about a nightmare. I had to find the network card driver on another PC because Vista couldn't find it. Lucky for me I had a second computer to search for the driver on the internet and burn it to a CD so I could install it on the Vista machine. Vista notification pop ups galore...it was pathetic. What's even worse with Vista is now they have a PROGRESS BAR for every window! You can see the progress status when opening the Documents window, the Computer window. How pathetic is that. The only progress I see on my Mac is that when I open the window, it just opens...no need to see the progress....it just opens instantly. Installing and uninstalling on the iMac....it's so crazy simple, it's not even funny. Drag and drop to install, and drag and drop in garbage to uninstall. Man, I could go for hours. Not Parker.....Vista = the ultimate patch in of itself. Vista is just a patch to XP with a new WindowBlinds skin. And at least Apple fixes their patches. It's easier and faster for Apple because they know the hardware that their OS is on. With PC, Microsoft never knows the environment, which is why things take so long for them to address. They have endless testing they must do before they are certain they won't break to many apps or PC's before pushing out their fixes. Tiger is already leaps and bounds ahead of Vista....and the Leopard is coming, which is just crazy cool....Time Machine is one feature that I am looking forward to on Leopard that Vista doesn't have (without combining multiple processes). I love that I have never received an illegal operation, send error report or application crash with my Mac. As I type this on my work PC (Windows XP SP2), my Windows Live Messenger 8 just closed out on it's own and asked me to send an error report (which is why I just added this last sentence). This post was edited by AWBrian on Thursday, July 12, 2007 at 12:22. |
| #17 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 7/12/2007 12:32:45 PM |
| #16, That has to be the best switch ad/testimonial I have ever read. Thanks for sharing it - entirely valid and most welcome perspective. I don't get to spend nearly enough time in various OSes any longer - so it is especially useful to read such posts. Thanks, L |
| #18 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 7/12/2007 12:46:51 PM |
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Any time L. Don't get me wrong though. I like Windows. I work for Hilton, and we are entirely 100% Microsoft with IBM Servers and workstations world wide, running Windows XP SP2 and Office 2003 on all workstations. Servers are Windows 2003, and we are running Exchange 2003. All this worldwide over hundreds of thousands of computers. I was also a Microsoft MVP for 8 years for Microsoft Office.
I have plenty of Windows experience.....but Mac changed my computing experience for the better. This post was edited by AWBrian on Thursday, July 12, 2007 at 12:47. |
| #19 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/12/2007 1:17:42 PM |
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#16: Good review. I would try out a Mac if I could play with one for free for a month or two. I used to own an Apple ][ (an original ][, not a ][+) back in the day and still have a soft spot for Apple.
#17: Cut down on the 3-4 hours daily posting here and you'll have more time to play with new OSes ;) #18: Say Hi! to Paris for me. |
| #20 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 7/12/2007 1:32:35 PM |
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"And at least Apple fixes their patches."
Apple = one big megapatch. Leopard = a bad Vista clone. "It's easier and faster for Apple because they know the hardware that their OS is on" No. They just get a lot of practice. Isn't that 7 sets of Quicktime patches this year alone? |
| #21 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 7/12/2007 1:36:27 PM |
| Nice excuse NotParker. You are cute when you get defensive. |
| #22 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 7/12/2007 2:07:38 PM |
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#19, But then I'd have to lessen my commitment to the hosting of this platform and the development of its new software - not things I do [doing less, I mean - I do something, I do it all the way, or not at all].
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| #23 By 8556 (12.207.97.148) at 7/12/2007 2:42:50 PM |
| #10: I don't know why it took me so long, but I installed Parallels this morning and virtualized Boot Camp running XP Pro. This is awesome stuff. Running Coherance, where XP and Mac are merged, is very cool. Copy and paste between OS's is a breeze. Moving files between OS X and Windows is simple now. Wait, wasn't this about Windows not being worldly, or something? |
| #24 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 7/12/2007 3:28:27 PM |
| #21 You give up so easily. |
| #25 By 23275 (172.16.10.31) at 7/12/2007 5:39:07 PM |
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#24, Excellent point - entirely valid.
If you knew how long I had been doing this you'd already be assured - despite vigorous debates, and occcasional, "you suck bad lketchum" attacks. I tell you how far I have taken it, though I could, I have not, and by intent, even looked, so who is what, or actually whom, remains unkown to not only myself, by all in my company and it will remain that way. I come from a time when men quite literally died rather than violate their honor in any way. It may seem trite and out of place, but that is how it was and still is. I know people don't often accept another's word these days, but I don't offer mine lightly and I don't break it. If you want to know, I started assisting because I respected the young people that built this and I wanted to help - them and perhaps others that come here. Respect alone would be enough to ensure that any/all information be treated with just that, respect. I hope in some small way, not so much what we end up doing, but how we do it, will matter most. I don't take a thing from this at all - except the most important thing one might, that is new friends I may never actually meet. So any/all alters are in my opinion, as welcome as any other. I think the guys that make those kinds of decisions aleady know just how "real" we are. Thanks for listening. Lloyd. This post was edited by lketchum on Thursday, July 12, 2007 at 17:39. |
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