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Novell: Microsoft Bullies Server Market | |
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| Time: 12:31 EST/17:31 GMT | News Source: Reuters | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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An executive of network computing company Novell Inc. on Wednesday accused Microsoft Corp. of using anti-competitive tactics to dominate the market for Internet server software. Novell Chief Technology Officer Carl Ledbetter, in testimony in the ongoing Microsoft antitrust case (news - web sites), said that Microsoft withheld critical information that competitors needed to make their server software work well with Microsoft's Windows, which virtually holds a monopoly position in personal computer operating systems. | ||
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| #1 By 20 (24.243.32.227) at 3/27/2002 1:46:40 PM |
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LOL. WAH WAH WAH Government help us please! We can't compete, so slap Microsoft for us please!
When has Novell ever come up with anything innovative? NDS was probably the closest thing to innovation they've ever had. Novell is nearly equivalent to Netscape. They built a product that was "Good Enough" and rode it to the bitter end rather than continually innovating and improving their products. Finally, after Microsoft had eaten 30-40% of their market space, they finally got off their asses and built NDS and NetWare 4.0 which was a complete joke. It took them a couple more releases (4.11) before they had something that wasn't completely broken, and even then it performed like crap. 5.0 finally came out too-little, too-late. Novell's fate had been sealed. Another harsh lesson in business taught to a proud former-giant: If you sit on your pot of gold, someone is going to knock you off and take it. |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 3/27/2002 4:59:47 PM |
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Netware did have some nice features though. The ability to map a drive deep into the share structure didn't appear in NT until Win2k. I also liked the ability to quickly undelete files that we had in Netware 3.2.
But on the other hand, our Netware servers would ABEND at least once a week. When we first moved to NT that changed to once a month, which was bad enough. Then we setup a NT4 cluster server, put the file storage on backend EMC arrays and in the past two years I cannot remember an outage on file/print servers. |
| #3 By 4209 (163.192.21.2) at 3/27/2002 5:06:52 PM |
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Doesn't Linux/Apache have most of the Web Server market? Why not complain to them as well? The funny part is MS does not monopolize the Web Server Market.
Also, on a side note. I got rid of the last Netware server 2 years ago. Crached once a month and needed to be hard reset to get it up again. I have had an NT 4.0 BDC running for 558 days so far without a crash or re-boot. Had an Exchange server running for 190 days without a re-boot, I added 1GB or RAM to it and that is the only reason it got re-booted. My main file server has been running for over 180 days without a restart. Novell just sucks now and that is there problem. This post was edited by mctwin2kman on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 at 17:10. |
| #4 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 3/27/2002 5:16:51 PM |
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mctwin, how can two open source projects prevent any company from knowing their APIs, etc?
Pretty weak "But other people do it too" argument there, mctwin. |
| #5 By 665 (64.126.91.172) at 3/27/2002 7:15:43 PM |
| Have any of you seen this? http://vcast.v4c23.net/web/servlet/PlayMovie?aid=1016482980633 Its from Novell... heres the link to the main page: http://www.novellbrainshare.com/portal/content/home_video.jsp |
| #6 By 1845 (12.254.230.230) at 3/27/2002 8:38:31 PM |
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Todd, If they weren't in Real format, I might have watched them.
#2 and you think Microsoft FUD is bad? At least Microsoft FUD is well produced. www.whytheylie.com is one of the worst sites I have ever visited. Does Novell actually think content like that will win back market share lost to Microsoft? |
| #7 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 3/27/2002 9:06:47 PM |
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Oh... whytheylie is a Novell site. heh, funny.
I had a friend who went to go work for Novell back in '97. He would occasionally send me press releases explaining why Microsoft lied and how Novell was right. As often as not, Novell was actually wrong. But what was interesting was how poorly written the Novell ones were. I responded to him once, that Novell needed to hire a marketing team, because whether or not they were right Novell's techies wrote horrible press releases whereas with Microsoft marketing they could convince you the sky was purple. He didn't find that amusing, but I was right. :) |
| #8 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 3/27/2002 10:28:43 PM |
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I seem to recall Novell issuing a press release describing a horrific security flaw in Active Directory. Not just a bug, mind you, but a significant design flaw. The flaw supposedly allowed users that had their permissions removed from an object to still access the object.
Novell quickly pointed out that NDS doesn't suffer from any of these flaws. Sites like Slashdot, ZDNet, CNet, and even some of the big news sites like CNN published the release, without bothering to contact Microsoft, of course. As it turns out, the "flaw" was a case of Novell "engineers" not having a clue about how to setup or run Active Directory. The "flaw" was, in fact, a user error. Novell had forgotten to remove the owner of the object (which was the user in question), and since owners always have full permissions, the user still had access. So, one would expect that Novell would have apologized and that the Microsoft rebuttal press release would be published in the same way the original Novell release was. Nope. The only site (to my knowledge) that published Microsoft's rebuttal in the same forums as Novell's release was CNN. All the rest of the sites ignored it for a week+, and then added a link to the false report, which by then had been buried deep within archived news. Perhaps Novell should concentrate on innovating rather than creating sites like whytheylie.com. |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.230.230) at 3/28/2002 11:22:12 AM |
| I personally think Microsoft's conclusions with the cereal ad campaign are valid. Unless Novell learns to compete in the business world with Microsoft, I doubt they will be around much longer. |
| #10 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 3/28/2002 1:16:12 PM |
| I thought the cereal box thing was funny as hell... and I would have thought the same if it was Novell that published it, and not Microsoft. |
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