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Intel, Dell hold off on internal rollout of Vista | |
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| Time: 22:45 EST/03:45 GMT | News Source: News.com | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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Intel will roll out Vista internally only once the first service pack of the operating system has been released, and Dell is likely to do the same. Speaking to ZDNet UK at a Dell event in Paris on Thursday, Intel Europe's director of IT, Martin Mueller, said that the company's Vista deployment would commence in the second half of 2007, once Centrino Pro computers--incorporating the next-generation Santa Rosa platform--have become widely available. | ||
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| #1 By 32132 (64.180.209.28) at 5/5/2007 10:37:21 AM |
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"Greffier said that the current demand for Vista is stronger than for Windows 2000 or XP. He also said that the security features inherent to Vista will make large companies' migration "almost mandatory" in light of current business regulations."
Cool. Meanwhile IBM ... the company that has been trying to push ODF and Linux down peoples throats by supplying most of the code (and manipulating committees) plans to lay off 150,000 people in the US. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070504_002027.html This post was edited by NotParker on Saturday, May 05, 2007 at 10:43. |
| #2 By 11888 (70.49.87.185) at 5/5/2007 11:14:23 AM |
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I thought this had been discussed and the conclusion was that demand appears larger because the market is larger but as a percentage fewer people are upgrading. I don't know anyone running it yet. There was a guy at work who said something about getting a new machine with Vista. I'll have to ask if he ever did get it.
I really don't know what the fuss is all about. In time most Windows machines will be running Vista. Who cares if it takes 18 months or 3 years to get to that point? |
| #3 By 12071 (203.158.40.240) at 5/5/2007 12:21:22 PM |
| I wish I'd have waited... |
| #4 By 78428 (66.25.109.60) at 5/5/2007 6:21:30 PM |
| I'm glad I didn't wait! |
| #5 By 74554 (69.246.163.183) at 5/5/2007 11:49:39 PM |
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I'm happy that I didn't wait and even happier that the store gave me a refund.
Seriously. the program ran fine on my conroe machine but ran slower and had conflicts with other programs. Xp does everything that I need to do and after really trying to use vista, it just wasn't worth $239 to upgrade. Paying for problems. |
| #6 By 7754 (75.72.156.204) at 5/6/2007 7:47:03 PM |
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Interesting that they're not reporting that AMD is not delaying Vista.
Is this really even a "delay," anyhow? Who really expects that companies just jump ship to a new, major OS release the day it is available? If your apps are ready to go and you've tested it, then you're in a position to roll it out. I know we have some apps for which the vendors won't have Vista-compatibility updates ready until summer, and we'll need testing time after that. Do people really forget what it was like when 2000 came out? The endless Active Directory vs. NT4 domains (and vs. NDS) articles, and how everyone was going to wait years to deploy AD (if ever)? The "64,000 bugs" memo? All the talk about how resource-hungry it was? How long it took for the driver situation to mature (along with XP--remember how many compatibility updates we saw)? And yet, many look back at 2000 as one of Microsoft's best releases ever. I swear, people's memories are unbelievably short. |
| #7 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 5/6/2007 8:37:41 PM |
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#6. Exactly!
<all others, get our your "shill" stencils and spray paint> What bluvg states is so very true. There's one perspective I'd like to share here about Windows Vista - that of a small builder. I hear things about Vista everyday and it drives me nuts - the one that really gets to me is the one that goes along the lines of some expert expressing his frustration with Vista and his not knowing why x, y, or z does not work - just stupid crap, like a Net(pod)Cast with Leo Laporte and Paul Thurrott - where Paul was trying to get HDCP compliant signals from his WMC PC to a HDTV and he said his system BSOD'd several times and he was unable to uninstall video drivers in safe mode, etc... The thing about it that made me so nuts was that here we had two "experts" going on about a really small issue that any one of my techs would have solved in a few minutes - they would have known that the installer services needs to be started, which it is not in safe mode and they would have known exactly what software to drop in to provide full access to MSI based installs/uninstalls from safe mode. It would have been a non-event. ***If you ever need such, do this, REG ADD "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot\Minimal\MSIServer" /VE /T REG_SZ /F /D "Service" net start msiserver ***If that is too hard, go here and use SafeMsi, http://network.mpei.ac.ru/lang/rus/faqw2kxp/jsifaq/rh9233.htm Leo and Paul should have known this and so well that either of them would have said, "Hey Brue, just use...." and it would have been a non-event. It infuriates me that such people are allowed so much voice and yet most of them don't seem to know much at all. Ok, so the point I wanted to make was that everything about Windows Vista was so well known - it was not a secret and just as bluvg points out, all it takes is a little planning - and actually about half as much as XP does. Microsoft made deploying and managing Vista so easy, it is almost embarrassing for IT/MIS professionals. Our system setup and prep times have been cut by two thirds and systems are more stable, faster and more enjoyable to use. We spent months testing and planning for Vista and since November, we've used it ourselves. The very moment I could sell Vista based systems, I started doing so and hand delivered the first of them the day/night of commercial release. Each has been perfect and all software the customers use runs just fine - but we planned, tested and knew what we were doing. Case in point, MS Office Communicator stumbled some at first, but not so bad that Vista's reliability index would be hit too hard - point was that I was not happy with anything less than a full 10.0 - so after a week, or so I started to look for a solution and in a couple more weeks found one - as easy as a Live Search for "Office Communicator Patch" Unlike the pundits serving our industry, professionals - from tiny teams like our own, all the way up to much larger enterprises, we use and support Vista to make a living. Many others just blabber on and on and prove that they would better serve Vista users by remaining silent. |
| #8 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 5/6/2007 8:54:07 PM |
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***I recommend users of any version of Windows 2K/XP/W2K3/Vista use SafeMsi when removing video card drivers, or control panel software and or anti-virus software.
Just download and install SafeMSI.exe and boot into safe mode. Double-Click SafeMSI and uninstall the software in question and reboot. Then install your video card drivers and software as you normally would. |
| #9 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 5/7/2007 7:08:03 AM |
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Waiting until SP1 is just good business.
#7: I can see you point, but the minor struggles you encountered seem very "linux-like" where patches and have to be applied for things to work. Windows has never been about that, especially for the home user. It just works! Hopefully SP1 will get Vista back to its roots where everything works out of the box. |
| #10 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 5/7/2007 8:27:48 AM |
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#9, That might apply, except for one thing, the show was "Windows Weekly" and the guys are experts speaking to a target audience of Windows enthusiasts, which would include builders of all types. This profile is typical of our press and its pundits/personalities.
So rather than use that kind of forum to simply spread FUD and dump on Windows and Microsoft - which seems to be the case, experts need to stay focused on examining the platform, identifying the good and the bad, and if they truly want to help and enlighten, they should offer real solutions. In other words, criticize all day long, but follow each up with a solution. Being that the audience is an enthusiast one, filled with a mix of DIY'ers and professionals, the uber-geekness would be not just expected, but desired. I mean, we can read BS rants over at /. if we want. Finally, IT/MIS Pro's and DIY'ers are the one's that should see issues and fixes as at my example - as pros and systems builders we are responsible for shipping systems that are ready to go and devoid of issues - that is our job. So the perspectives are different. The differences we see these days seem to be that the experts out there are not really all that expert, or they just slam on things for the sake of slamming on things rather than placing their efforts on sharing what works. Now in fairness, I don't think that is Paul Thurrott's intent, I think he's being played by Leo - who is smart enough to function as a gate keeper and an expert at leveraging apparent sincerity to advance an agenda that is not at all Microsoft friendly. That is a dangerous game to play for both of them and it insults their audience, which is going to be made up of people that are looking for real expert help and objective information. As bluvg points out, the ground we are on is the same, or better than it was in the days of W2K and XP, it is just that the reporting has changed. This post was edited by lketchum on Monday, May 07, 2007 at 08:29. |
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