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| Time: 15:35 EST/20:35 GMT | News Source: Macworld | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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Apple’s CFO said Tuesday that Windows Vista is no threat to Mac OS X 10.5 “Leopard” and argued that the steep hardware requirements of Microsoft’s new operating system will give Leopard an opportunity to step in and grab more market share. | ||
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| #1 By 62611 (71.59.250.84) at 3/7/2007 5:09:36 PM |
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So an 800mhz cpu and 512mb of ram are steep?! I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty at those specs what it will run. On the other hand I have run OSX on a mac mini with 512mb of ram and it was painful so I wouldn't go bragging.
People who have low end systems can stick with XP or upgrade their hardware. It would still be cheaper than buying an overpriced mac. Say what you will apple, but at least I can run Vista on hardware of my choice. This post was edited by archer75 on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 at 17:14. |
| #2 By 53078 (72.252.10.248) at 3/7/2007 9:06:50 PM |
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have to agree with above commenter i have vista running on old ass processors with 512mb ya as you said not high graphically but guess what it runs and runs on any joe shmoe hardware....
They act as if OSX has light system requirements... last i checked Vista might want some extra ram and a decent video card, but OSX requires a completely new pc... |
| #3 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 3/8/2007 12:44:49 AM |
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Some things to think about...
Microsoft and the PC and Apple and its MAC really are two different types of systems - even that which would make them similar [apps, email and the web], will never bridge the divide between them. Apple can afford to be secretive - it is after all, a closed system with limits, stricture and well defined entry and exit points - with lots of traffic cops to keep one within designated lanes. Everything always seems so new and fresh - despite so often originating elsewhere. Microsoft and the PC can't afford to be secretive - and they can't afford to rush. The PC is open, so very diverse - with options for all - from the very basic to the wild and exotic. Microsoft's enormous ecosystem provides unity and commonality across the diversity that the PC presents. Owing to Microsoft's inclusive behavior, it has to market its products openly - they must be announced years in advance - they must be tried, tested, proven and tested again - and not just by Microsoft, but by every one of us that builds solutions based upon Microsoft software. Apple does not have to do this, but opposite a comparatively tiny number of people and businesses. Apple used the inclusive nature of the PC to lie, cheat and I assess, steal - let's take just a few examples where Apple, having learned of what was coming, fashioned a few inferior implementations of features either existing in Microsoft software, or well known, by virtue of the very necessary and open process the PC, in all its diversity, demands. <and by these examples, address the vulgar comparisons not in the article, but as expressed by MAC/Apple fans in the thread joined to it> Apple's "Time Machine" [still not shipping] - held out as new - unmatched and copied by Microsoft - entirely false. Let's look at Windows and some history: SCANREG /Restore - in Windows 98 and a great way to restore a system to an earlier time. System Restore - In Windows ME and improved in XP, XP SP1 and again in XP SP2 Systems Checkpoints - automated snapshots in XP Windows Server 2003 Volume Shadow Copy Volume Shadow Copy Client for Windows XP VSS and Versioning in Windows Sharepoint Services Driver Rollback in Windows XP Parallel .DLL files in Windows XP Windows Vista's "Restore Previous Versions" - on any file, or the entire system - in addition to all of the above! Cont... |
| #4 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 3/8/2007 12:46:08 AM |
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Despite these facts, MAC users, Apple, Inc. and many posting to related threads choose to ignore them and pretend they do not exist.
Next up, look at Apple's "Spaces" - hardly new at all - it existed in many forms before it was released on the PC with a FREE Windows XP Power Toy. And since it is so popular these days - does anyone care to go into just how well and powerfully Vista supports virtualization? - especially on Intel Core 2, or other hardware that supports hardware forms of it? For now, simply know that if you have used Vista at all, you have used a great deal of virtualization. Final example, Widgets and Gadgets - Apple and its advocates claiming that their implementation - namely having to switch to some kind of bizarre Widgets Only mode, is great as they claim one cannot access Vista's gadgets and sidebar easily - obviously, they are ignoring the systems tray icon and the default layer placing the side bar under running apps - while they also ignore Vista's ability to place the sidebar on any monitor as well as the ability to place gadgets any place one likes. Point is, the very nature of the PC - being open and inclusive of so many types of users, developers and engineers, has to present all it can do far ahead of when it is shipped. Apple, being closed does not - and it rushed to stuff less capable features into its products. That's not just my take - ask many candid MAC users if they like Spotlight as compared to Vista's baked in search - Apple's isn't pervasive - Vista's is. And that is just the beginning. I encourage all to take a closer look at these areas - make a couple of really quick changes to a Word file and try Vista's restore previous versions features out - see how easy it is - and then check out its new recovery console - an area I did not address or include here, because it deserves a lot more attention than one could provide in such a small space. |
| #5 By 7711 (209.204.74.18) at 3/8/2007 5:58:04 AM |
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#3-4...You're right, but irrelevant....the reality distortion field controls all....
Anyone ever notice the pulsing white light on the new Macs when they're in standby?...its the emitter for the reality distortion field...like the Borg, you WILL be assimilated. Resistance is futile, facts are irrelevant...................... ;) |
| #6 By 61 (72.64.142.151) at 3/8/2007 6:00:18 AM |
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Windows has had "Restore Previous Versions" for quite some time.
It's called Volume Shadow Copy. |
| #7 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 3/8/2007 11:30:01 AM |
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#5, :) I was wondering what the beam of light sweeping the room was. It's sad - I've spoken with some pretty die-hard MAC users and most had no idea of what was in Windows - much less Vista... but then again, many of them get their news from YouTube and the Colbert Report - treating such sources as factual.
Remember America's first woman Ambassador to the U.N.? - Ms. Jean Kirkpatrick [ what a great leader ] She said of the press and media, [from her 1990 book and based upon a 1983 speech she gave], “Some people believe, and I am among them, that the power of the media today constitutes the most significant exercise of unaccountable power in our society. It is unaccountable to anyone, except for those who exercise the power. I believe that the domain of culture is as important as the domain of government or the economy.” More than two decades ago, she warned: “It is very important to realize that the electronic media, which provide mass audiences, have made our culture much more manipulable than it ever was in the past. Typically, historically, cultures have been slow to change. Ideas about what's real, what's important, and what causes what, change very slowly in history. They are grounded in the experience of peoples, and respond only to additional, cumulative experiences of peoples. With the rise of electronic media, the possibility of deliberate manipulation of culture has been magnified ten zillion fold.” Forget Jobs, Apple and OS X - the above is what scares the piss out of me - it's costing us a war we must win, our economy and the future of our country - don't piss it away because it is so easy to believe what an anti-American and anti-business press has to say about anything - including operating systems and software that are so vital to our use of the very information we should be using. Any blunting of that, or restrictions placed upon any aspect of it, is where Apple's closed platform, and non-existent ecosystem trouble me so much. Where Apple pretends this isn't so is where it rises to such a personal offense and as I see it, a real threat to my personal liberty. Where the elitist few, judge and control the many, is where I draw a clear line - and why Apple's ads are not only poorly focused, but downright offensive. The truth - built on a foundation of documented research, facts, science and recorded events is out there - my hope is that people will again take the time to find it. |
| #8 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 3/9/2007 10:44:32 AM |
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My stand on Apple/Mac's.
(Everyone goes "oh, shit. Here comes Larry" LOL! - I promise this will not be painful :)) I started using computers in 1980. My first was a TRS-80 Model 1. Then I had a Model III. Then a Model 4. Then a Model 4p. I then had a few Apple IIc's, Apple II's, etc... In 1984 I purchased one of the first 128k Mac's to be sold in Northern Virginia. The machine, a copy of Word 1.0 and an ImageWriter 1 printer cost me just under 3 grand. That started a string of Mac usage that lasted some 14 years, and in a minor capacity, continues today (I still have my LCD iMac, the Lamp version, but hardly use it. It's not even plugged in and hasn't been for nearly a year). My first PC, which I got for work in the Navy, was an AST Premium/286, around 1987 I believe. It cost a fortune, but was built like a tank. DOS did not impress me to say the least. I built a few other machines myself between 1986 and 1990, including some Heathkits. In 1990, when I left the Navy, I dropped PC's and went 100% Mac again. I made a good living at it. Provided service for government agencies using Mac's for a couple of years, then became the service/sales manager for a large Apple Authorized dealer in Virginia (NOT a box store). I believe I have every Apple authorization/certification that ever existed. Probably a dozen or more. In 1997 the store closed. Oddly, it was because of poor financial performance on the PC side. The Mac side was doing quite well. I then entered the corporate market in 1997 and have been there every since, at the same company, as a contractor. When I first got there, they were 95% Macintosh. In 2000, they were 100% PC. It was one HELL of a transition folks. It was like taking 10,000 peoples kittens away from them. Since 2000, I have taken in excess of 15,000 PC/Network based service calls personally. Not level 1 stuff. That's for the guys at the Help Desk. All my work is level 2/3 and network based. So, do I miss my Mac's ? I did, until Windows 2000 came out. That was the FIRST real version of Windows. Some would say NT4, but NT4 was just so sorely lacking in compatibility it was ok for a workstation that did one or two things all the time, but as a general OS it was terrible. Win2K changed all that, and WinXP completed the Change. We won't discuss WindowsME here. At all. Period. Now days, I could take or leave a Mac. Yes, I DO still like the OS. However, to be honest, I miss the old Classic MacOS. MacOS X is fine, but it is missing that charm that MacOS Classic had (issues and all). If I weren't in the business, what would I be using? If I wanted to be a user, and not a enthusiast or geek any more.... Probably one PC for gaming, and a Mac for everything else. I still believe it can't be argued. If you want to USE a computer, as a USER, and don't care about maintaining it or how it works, then the Mac is a better choice. Steve Jobs destroyed the Mac as I knew it. He killed off all the independent Apple Dealers (again, not talking about big-box stores). He killed what was once GREAT service to be had at these stores. To me, the Apple Stores are like walking into Walmart. No character at all. No independent dealers, coming down and opening up because you need a box of floppies in an emergency. No gathering around the counter just shooting the breeze about this new this, or this new that. All the excitement is gone. The Mac has become a Toaster. And for some, that's fine. Just not me. Yet :) TL |
| #9 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 3/9/2007 10:45:01 AM |
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BTW... Being in the Mac industry for so long I can tell you the three events that killed the Mac in business:
1. Windows 95. 2. Open Transport 1.0. 3. The PowerBook 5300. If you were in the Mac business during that period, you know exactly what I'm talking about. |
| #10 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 3/9/2007 8:03:37 PM |
| #8,9 - what a great timeline and story. |
| #11 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 3/10/2007 5:54:24 AM |
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That's really just a snippit :)
There are much deeper stories about Apple, including OpenDoc, NuKernal (which, sadly, was abruptly killed by Steve Jobs at the exact Developer Conference the Dev Beta's were supposed to be released at!), the early days of Quicktime (which were quite exciting), the Quadra AV's, and of course the Mac Compatibles (I was also Motorola Certified). The stories I could tell about the whole Mac Compatible debacle LOL! Being an Apple Dealer during the 1990's was an incredibly exciting (and frustrating) time. TL |
| #12 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 3/10/2007 11:43:49 AM |
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#11, I bet... I'm glad you've posted some of that history and you should post a lot more about it.
It is that perspective that has inspired some of my comments relative to the present day Apple, Inc and MAC. It is easy for a lot of people - especially younger ones - to have a less complete understanding of the history and facts and therefore take observations out of their larger context. Personally, I think Steve Jobs saved Apple - while at the same time, killing it. What it is, is certainly not what it could have been and only the name is the same. Calling it as it is, a Toaster-like appliance is accurate and that is fine - so long as we users aren't expected to become like toasters ourselves - mindless, compliant and limited in our initiatives to what any one other [person, company, etc...] says we can do, or should do. That is where the modern Apple, Inc., its systems and ads, offend me so - it is because of the memory of a different and far more open and inclusive Apple - where computer enthusiasts had a platform. The sometimes fanatical current Apple/MAC base does not seem to reflect any memory of that. In the context of Microsoft operating systems, the current Apple, Inc., is just another x86 computer manufacturer that can support Windows, *nix and its own *nix distro, OS X. So as far as Microsoft is concerned, any success over at Apple is just another opportunity to sell another OS license - and an computer enthusiast is most likely to do just that if they choose to buy Apple hardware, but much more likely to build their own rigs - including laptops. **Which we have just started to manufacture and sell - a huge step for a smaller OEM like my own - the engineering complexities are many fold higher than they are in a tower, or desktop. In any case, I miss the old Apple - and does anyone remember how it was the dumping of the IIe and the move to MAC only that really got Apple into trouble in the first place - e.g., when they dumped the engineer in all of us in favor of the toasters they wanted us to become... That is the "I know better that you what is better for all" kind of stuff that makes me despise what Steve Jobs represents. *** So we traded all that the original Apple meant for MP3 players and diminished audio...? Also, I now totally get why you sometimes seem cynical and upset by some of the decisions leaders in our industry make - as reflected in their products – you remember what it was like and the promise that it held. My biggest fear is that the PC will go the same way – even the *nix, which is why Ubuntu and Linspire scare the crap out of me. |
| #13 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 3/12/2007 8:40:19 AM |
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"Personally, I think Steve Jobs saved Apple - while at the same time, killing it. What it is, is certainly not what it could have been and only the name is the same."
Very well put. "and does anyone remember how it was the dumping of the IIe and the move to MAC only that really got Apple into trouble in the first place - e.g., when they dumped the engineer in all of us in favor of the toasters they wanted us to become..." Oddly enough, this was exactly what got Jobs in enough of a Tizzy back then to lead to his eventual firing. He was pissed about the way the Apple II got treated. -Larry |
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