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  XP's Fate in a Vista World
Time: 13:35 EST/18:35 GMT | News Source: PC World | Posted By: Andre Da Costa

t seems like only yesterday we were installing Windows XP. Upgrading to a new operating system, even when you're giving your PC new capabilities and new tools, usually involves a new interface and requires some adjustment. Even if Windows Vista is running on your newest system, it's likely a few Windows XP systems are humming along in your home or office. Here are some guidelines for tranquil cohabitation by operating systems.

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#1 By 74554 (68.84.23.10) at 2/26/2007 3:51:11 PM
I suppose vista will be humming on many computers in the future but after the beta testing ordeal, my computer will be singing XP for as long as possible. This is the first time I haven't upgraded operating systems since the first version of windows came out. I spent an hour and a half trying to register a legal copy of windows last week and can only imagine that Vista will be worse.
Xp has been a stable platform and I have no reason to change. I bet that I'm not the only one that will be "holding on" to XP.

#2 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 2/26/2007 4:51:33 PM
"t seems like only yesterday we were installing Windows XP"
I do not think so, it was more than five years ago; after that we had SP1 and, much more important, SP2.

"Even if Windows Vista is running on your newest system, it's likely a few Windows XP systems are humming along "
I beg you pardon? Majority of systems are running XP; furthermore bigger the company slower the migration will be.
Windows 7 SP1 will be available and millions of computers will still be running XP.

#3 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 2/26/2007 5:03:46 PM
On a small practical note: If you are running Vista and you have XP clients running and you want the XP client system to show up in Vista's network drawings properly - as they relate to switches, routers, etc.... then download and install the Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder (KB922120) on your XP clients - see, http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&DisplayLang=en

Once installed on your XP machines, they will show up in your Vista network discovery/drawings as they relate to other systems and devices.

#4 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 2/27/2007 7:19:46 AM
I haven't installed this on any of my XP machines or the Win2K3 Server, and they show up just fine under Vista ultimate.

TL

#5 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 2/27/2007 12:13:07 PM
#4, TL - Yes, they will show up fine in "Network" but have you run the "Network Map" from within Vista's Network and sharing center? Control Panel | Network and sharing center

From there, click on, "View Full Map"

If you have the LLTD installed on your XP machines, they will appear in Vista's Network Map as they relate to your network. If not, they will appear at the bottom of the map and listed as, "The following device(s) cannot be placed into the map..."

***If your machines, as suggested by your mention of the W2K3 server above, are members of a W2K3 AD domain, then in the context of the Network Map in Vista, the LLTD is irrelevant - the map is intended for home/SOHO/Peer networks, only. However, LLTD will aid in the discovery of XP clients on a mixed network - regardless of domain membership.

#6 By 2231 (71.126.176.220) at 2/28/2007 2:04:16 AM
How does the IT manager/CIO/CTO justify a Vista upgrade of XP machines? I'm using the term upgrade loosely.

Any responsible business solved security issues on XP with limited user accounts and policies.

Is there a business case?

#7 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 2/28/2007 9:21:41 AM
#6, Many enterprise customers have licensing models that allow them to run any supported version of the operating system - so in that direct context, it is irrelevant and depends upon their plans, which almost always work to lower costs of administration and support.

In that context, it depends largely on how a company and its leaders view IT/MIS - as an asset, or a cost or some place in between. If consolidating systems/servers opposite services is best achieved by moving to the new OS, then a strong case can be made for the move - especially if aging hardware with older operating systems is a factor and resulting in higher support and admin costs. As that equipment is retired, less costly to operate and more efficent hardware goes in at less cost and lower operating costs - leveraging the new management, messaging and support systems being consolidated at the top.

So yes, a very strong case may be made. Most companies will have built a lab and tested all of this and used the free tools offered to assess their hardware, software and networks - they would do this parallel to the operating system's development.

Where it is harder to roll out a new OS is in the SMB market - it is all top driven there and begins where principals in a company have themselves explored an interest in the new OS. In this space, one has to roll by proving that the OS offers more and can run the software that a company needs - this is much harder to do and is driven by more intense competition for labor - where investments in environment matter a lot and where there is less opportunity for internal advancement when a smaller business is young. Small business offers a lot - lifestyle being among its most attractive elements - where also, investments in the best equipment and tools help keep people happy. I could write a great deal here that would perhaps offer some insight. If you want to know what we recommend and why, I'd be happy to share it.

#8 By 54556 (67.131.75.3) at 2/28/2007 10:48:28 AM
#6 "How does the IT manager/CIO/CTO justify a Vista upgrade of XP machines?"

In my case, namely a moderately-sized community-based financial institution, I can't. You are right about the security issues, we dealt with those quite some time ago; if we had not the auditors would have closed our doors, so there is no incentive in that area. Having roaming profiles that actually worked would be nice, however...

To us, the OS is nothing more than a program launcher, with the programs being launched usually being enterprise-class core software applications. Our primary core applicaion is quite large, having many thousands of input screens. As such it will take a good two years for that applicaion to be certified to run uder Vista. The web-based applications that we use are basically in the same situation. Most of these are hosted by external entities, including Federal Agencies and large data clearing houses, but none are certified to run on top of IE 7 at this time.

We will enentially migrate to Vista, as we must to so that the OS remains supported (for security patches only, we do all other support in-house). But given the requirement for application recertification, I doubt that migration will start before Q3 of 2008. Even then, the migration will be slow. Given a choice, we will not upgrade workstations, but rather phase in workstations with Vista as part of our sceduled workstation replacement plan, which is based upon a phased four-year lifeycycle.

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