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Vista Will Have Little Impact on Mac Sales: Analyst | |
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| Time: 12:34 EST/17:34 GMT | News Source: eWeek | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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While the launch of Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system will drive consumer PC sales in the coming months, the operating system's impact on sales of Apple's Macintosh are expected to be minimal, according to a recent report. In a Feb. 14 research report, Gene Munster, an analyst with Piper Jaffray, surveyed 50 Best Buy retail stores and found that while the launch of the consumer version of Vista in January has driven buyers to look at new PCs, it does not appear this will affect Mac sales. | ||
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| #1 By 1401 (69.27.196.125) at 2/14/2007 1:16:07 PM |
| In other news, Mac OS has little impact on Mac sales... |
| #2 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 2/14/2007 1:33:22 PM |
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#1, Funny.
The analysis opposite Apple Computer... errr, I mean, Inc., very often reminds me of how our modern press and media wish for Americans to view themselves... how we view ourselves, by the by, is how the balance of the world follows... trim that down here, and the balance will hate us. Apple shipped 175,000 FEWER units than even the most conservative estimates had predicted - and that is reported as a gain. No attention, or consideration of the number of Apple computer buyers moving from older PPC based systems to newer, largely MAC Books on Intel hardware is mentioned in the proper context - where the number of MAC systems is flat, or trending downward while MAC Intel systems as a percentage increase - instead, they look only at the increases in MAC Intel sales and ignore what the numbers really mean. Similarly, they ignore the fact that nearly all MAC Book Pro buyers - moving from a PC, also buy a copy of Windows Vista and run it via Boot Camp or Parallels - with the preference being to run it in Boot Camp - and I'd bet these same users will be running Windows Vista for the majority of the time - using iTunes and the MAC side for just that - iTunes and their iPods. Finally, pundits and analysts ignore the explosive growth in the world-wide computer market and they dare not measure actual MAC deceases as a percentage of that growth. They also ignore just how badly Apple and Steve Jobs gutted development, research and the real needs of even their most loyal developers - seemingly refusing to address existing software defects as they piled on more and more half-baked and poorly executed features - doubt it? Really get into helping MAC users sometime and see what they really think of Apple's Spotlight? It stinks and it outright sucks when compared to Windows Vista's capabilities. It is fraud - in my opinion and it inflates Apple's stock price and I suspect that is a big part of the reason. That's on one side - on the other, the unending desire of the press, media and their pundits to well and truly hate and ignore over 90% of the American population and the ideology that however flawed it might have been, or might now be, focuses on that which is good and offers hope - the one thing human beings must have in order to succeed. All the while, Apple clings to its smug assed attitude and looks for that which is bad - in PC's, people, and about all else from what I can see. I maintain this - look for what is good in all things and you'll find it - look for what is bad and you'll surely find that, too. |
| #3 By 8556 (12.207.97.148) at 2/14/2007 2:29:25 PM |
| Mac users that want to run Windows Vista on their Intel Macs are waiting for OS X 10.5. Boot Camp beta for OS X 10.4.x only installs Windows XP w/SP2. |
| #4 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 2/14/2007 3:02:08 PM |
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Wow. The water looks cold. I think I'll stay on dry land for this one :)
TL |
| #5 By 50038 (81.245.234.237) at 2/14/2007 3:47:39 PM |
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#2, not funny
I have a PC and a Mac, so I know both systems. Both have good and bad points. No OS is perfect, and yes that includes Linux, BEOS... I find your point about Mac users only using their Mac for iTunes and the iPod ridiculous. Your point about Mac users using Vista instead of OS X is also ridiculous. Maybe the people that switch from a PC to a Mac would use Vista, because they like the fancy pc's that apple makes, but want to use it as a pc, but a mac user will use OS X, because they made the choice to buy a mac because it's different (as in not a pc). As a developer I'm planning on buying an Intel Mac soon, since that platform allows me to develop for Windows, OS X and Linux all on one machine. What do I think of Spotlight? It's a feature for crying out loud. It works the way I expect it to. It sucks when compared to Vista? As a developer I'm running an MSDN Vista, and I can't see where it beats spotlight at all. Sorry to say but I've read several reviews of Vista by reputable sources that say that Vista's search is inconsistent, doesn't find everything, and/or comes up with a confusing list. That's not just the reviews, I've witnessed it myself too. On top of that the only Vista I'd consider for use as a developer is Vista Ultimate, but I can't hardly believe that Microsoft priced it that high. This is not a server OS, so why is the price that high for a consumer OS? What feature makes it worth that price? What was that about fraud again? Maybe boasting about the Vista OS's features inflates Microsoft's stock price? For instance the added security of the Windows firewall. It now includes outbound protection. Oh wait, it's mostly switched off for outbound protection out of the box, and it's almost impossible to set up the outbound protection, but hey you can buy Live OneCare, and that gives you what you need, right? Only it costs more money. So why claims it's safer, when you have to pay more to be able to use it, on an already expensive OS. Maybe some people would call that fraud. And your sales figures? Are you just guessing at things? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070118-8652.html If you look at that you'll see that Apple's market share during Q4 2006 went up to 5.1%. If I were a PC manufacturer and I managed to capture 5% of the market, I'd be very happy. Yes, you can claim that 95% of the market went to PC, and only 5% to the Mac, but if you compare manufacturers, you'll see that a 5% market share is nothing to be ashamed off. A lot of pc manufacturers would be only too happy to get a 5% market share. I hope that puts it somewhat into perspective. And yes I'll keep using all of the following as a developer, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Mac OS X, Suse Linux, Fedora Core. Why? Because that's what our customer need. They need it, we support it, simple as that. |
| #6 By 32313 (208.131.186.18) at 2/14/2007 4:01:35 PM |
| I'm actually excited about the next release of OS X: Leopard. Looking forward to seeing what those 'Top Secret' features Steve Jobs promised at WWDC '06. |
| #7 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 2/14/2007 4:45:08 PM |
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#5, You are kidding... right?
Citigroup analyst Richard Gardner: "PC shipments of 1.6M were well below our estimate of 1.85M and consensus of 1.7-1.8M. While year-to-year unit growth was solid, it did not meaningfully exceed that of the consumers markets from which Apple derives the majority of its revenue despite a somewhat easy comparison (due to purchase deferrals ahead of the Intel transition one year ago). While notebook shipments rose an impressive 65 percent year over year, they declined 2 percent sequentially during a seasonally strong quarter." - that's only one analyst, and he has many others that are looking at the numbers Apple, by law, must report. Those numbers do not support any estimates for growth - most especially opposite the impact of Vista and increasingly more compelling designs from PC laptop manufacturers. At the same time, and owing to Vista's delay, PC sales were flat. Also, you note American market figures only. Global market figures for Apple are even worse. On balance, the numbers are not good and not trending well for Apple's MAC computer sales. I predict that what is released of Leopard will be their last release - they left the enterprise market in favor of consumer electronics and as well, left developers like us at the same time - I assert they began that departure a long while ago - like when Jobs came back. And for the record, I've loved and supported Apple for decades - authoring for it and supporting its users in the professional ad and media space for years - and year over year I have seen those same companies move away from the MAC. It will be a shame to see MAC go, but I do predict it will. I will however, not miss "the new MAC" under Jobs - Apple was always about being human and inclusive and open and honest. Since 1997 it has become the land of the snobs and that is what is truly ridiculous. Every "Great" MAC dev I knew for years is embarrassed by today's Apple and they left for .NET where normal people hang out and build things for all people - not some "special" select group of "in" or "beautiful" people. Steve Jobs killed Apple with his perspective on things. There's nothing "cool" about elitism - nothing at all. The PC is the computer for the rest of us and the numbers support that. Microsoft and its ecosystem created that - not Apple and not Steve Jobs. |
| #8 By 12071 (124.168.205.173) at 2/15/2007 7:30:53 AM |
| #6 Microsoft is just as excited about Leopard... they need features for the next version of Windows! You heard their last little speech "it might have this... it might have that... honestly we don't know what it'll have" - they just forgot to mention at the end of the speech that they'll know once they see what everyone else is doing. |
| #9 By 32132 (142.32.208.231) at 2/15/2007 11:49:54 AM |
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"Microsoft is just as excited about Leopard"
Yes. Vista running as virtual machine is the thin end of the wedge that will let Microsoft sell a Vista license to every Mac user. From what I've read that is the number one feature Mac fanatics crave - Vista! |
| #10 By 3653 (68.52.143.149) at 2/15/2007 1:37:54 PM |
| apple has chosen a path of a toy maker... and will soon make the equivalent of music boxes. and the rest of the world will move on... |
| #11 By 65179 (221.128.181.116) at 2/20/2007 4:10:56 AM |
| Like I'm beginning to see the "vista" that I'm seeing - MS is definitely less focussed on home users/creative pros and more on enterprises. Apple is ENTIRELY focussed on home users and creative pros. |
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