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Where's Microsoft's 'Flash killer'? | |
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| Time: 15:01 EST/20:01 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Anyone out there still remember Windows Presentation Foundation Everywhere (WPF/e), Microsoft's so-called Flash killer? Last time Microsoft discussed the WPF/e technology publicly was in March, at the Mix '06 conference. (I hear there was a demo of WPF/e as part of the MSN Soapbox demo at the recent Streaming Media West confab, but have seen few details on how Microsoft's Flash killer will fit in with Microsoft's YouTube killer.) | ||
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| #1 By 11888 (67.71.152.227) at 11/13/2006 9:52:00 PM |
| Why is Microsoft always pulling up the rear nowadays? They don't seem to be in charge of their own destiny but instead relegated to re-inventing what's already there. |
| #2 By 10402 (72.252.15.246) at 11/13/2006 10:32:15 PM |
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LoL let others "innovate" its just funny when microsoft crushes the firsts performance as time progresses....
LOL I remember running java apps using sun java and then uninstalling and installin that old MSJAVX86.exe version that just simply crushed even sun's original java runtimes performance wise it was always histercal... then they got banned from distributing it even though it was 100% better... Then it was .net which i hands down love in comparison to java not to mention asp and asp.net They may come out with things afterwards but they sure as hell know how to develop a product to maturity and as time progresses steam roll past the competition.... The zune may look like a little bug on the windsheild to apple right now but they really better watch out only microsoft could enter the gaming market and on its first try catch a huge part of the market |
| #3 By 13030 (198.22.121.110) at 11/14/2006 10:56:58 AM |
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#2: LOL I remember running java apps using sun java and then uninstalling and installin that old MSJAVX86.exe version that just simply crushed even sun's original java runtimes performance wise it was always histercal... then they got banned from distributing it even though it was 100% better...
You and NotParker must be bowling partners since you both have a fondness for revisionist history. I started using beta versions of the JDK in 1996 and spent several years developing Java client and server applications, so allow me correct your statement. 100% better? Try 100% proprietary. Sun invoked the Java license agreement clause that prohibited MS from subverting Java by adding proprietary, Windows-only extensions, and by not implementing the entire Java specification. MS knew that by bastardizing Java they could get platform lock-in. The whole point of Java was platform independence. MS knew exactly what they were doing here and it was a low point in their otherwise developer-friendly history. (Specifically, Visual J++ was probably the very lowest point in their developer history.) Compared to the early Sun VMs, the MS VM was superior in performance on Windows machines. Within a couple of years, the VMs were equivalent in most respects. They may come out with things afterwards but they sure as hell know how to develop a product to maturity and as time progresses steam roll past the competition.... Delphi and Java are the real things. Steaming rolling in this case equals using your monopoly to stump your competition's market viability. Delphi was superior to VB and nearly as fast as C/C++ code in execution. Delphi's object-oriented VCL architecture was a decade ahead of anything MS produced. C# is a nice language and the .NET Framework is a rich developer toolkit, but they owe their entire existence to Delphi and Java. |
| #4 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/14/2006 4:16:19 PM |
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MS also has the trick of announcing something years in advance to thwart the market of their competitors. "Should we buy this app from XCorp?" "I don't know, MS said they were coming out with something Real Soon Now, maybe we should wait". Inevitably, MS' offering is way late and half-assed. But the FUDding worked like a charm.
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| #5 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 11/15/2006 9:35:34 AM |
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#3: To put some things into perspective, I recall hearing that people would know what would be in the next version of VB by looking at what was in the current version of Delphi. It was always a few steps ahead of Microsoft VB. So much so, that when MS wanted to create a new language and environment, they recruited the main designer of Delphi, who's name I suddenly can't remember. He is also the same person who was instrumental in designing and building Turbo Pascal for Borland. Microsoft is good at hiring smart people, and when they let them run, they come up with good stuff. I am a big Java fan, but I also like C# a lot too. But for now, if you look at all the projects under development at SourceForge, counted by programming language, you'll find that Java is #1, with C++ in second place.
It is also interesting how intuitive C# is for Java developers, given the similarity of the object model, and many other aspects of it. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, as I personally dislike many things about the C++ object model. I like the Java one (which derives from Smalltalk and Objective-C) and I'm glad that C# follows in Java's footsteps. |
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