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Gateway Opposes Microsoft Settlement | |
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| Time: 11:25 EST/16:25 GMT | News Source: Associated Press | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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The Justice Department set out to prove Wednesday that its antitrust settlement with Microsoft is a bird in the hand and better than what it reasonably could have expected if it had gone back to court to seek tougher penalties. Philip Beck, speaking for the government, told U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly that a federal appeals court radically narrowed the scope of Microsoft's wrongdoing, making it difficult for the government to seek stronger penalties against the software giant. | ||
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| #1 By 1896 (216.76.209.67) at 3/6/2002 5:24:28 PM |
| "Similis cum similibus". Gateway is just another sinking company desperately looking for a justification of its failure like Sun etc; someone could jump out stating that AOL is a succesful company but I don't see their economic model succesfull in the long terms for several reasons; to give you an idea compare AOL and MS cash-flow. Obviously for these kind of management the fault is always an outside enemy, never a weak strategy. I bought a Gateway years ago and that was it; after few months I switched to Dell and I keep buying them because are a better products. |
| #2 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 3/6/2002 5:30:07 PM |
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AOL is failing? I thought it was the OEMs (minus Dell) that were failing. Why are softies so afraid of and concerned with AOLTW anyway? Do you actually think they are a technology company? They are a vertical integration media company like Viacom, Vivendi, News Corp, Sony Entertainment, even Canal + is sneaking up because they have Vivendi-envy. This industry does not have a similar cash flow to a software company so why compare?
Gateway is failing, but can you attack their concerns. Instead, you say they are a failing company--so their opinion doesn't matter?--as if they can't possible understand or know the affects of the settlement unless they are Dell. Speaking of Dell, where the hell are they? Where are any of the corporations that support this settlement and Microsoft? Oh, they don't exist. Not even Intel will speak up. This post was edited by sodajerk on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 17:43. |
| #3 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 3/6/2002 6:10:55 PM |
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Well, stubear, can you name ONE company that has decided to support Microsoft? Don't you think there's a problem saying that this will help the industry, in fact many industries, and that companies support it, but in fact, none do?
Personally, I don't see how anyone can tie this to the financial future of Gateway anyway. Gateway has been restructuring for 2 years, are you claiming this bit of testimony is a part of their plan to return to profitability? Are you suggesting that whatever concessions they may win or lose, they are counting on to get them over the hump? Providing one example of a non-MS relationship is the sort of thing I expect from a softy (Call it the "We'll throw you a bone" technique)--does one relationship prove that Microsoft is a good corporate citizen? Because apparently, Gateway doesn't think so--apparently they have lingering issues or new issues that they find problematic despite the fact that they are allowed to do business with a company. This post was edited by sodajerk on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 18:49. |
| #4 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 3/6/2002 8:23:11 PM |
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Stu, my point was is Gateway going into court to complain that it can't make a deal with AOL? No, it has other complaints. To make such an argument doesn't show me that Microsoft isn't as strong as I claim because I am not claiming that they have the power you hope to refute.
I wasn't necessarily calling you a softies; I was calling that weak argument the argument of a softie. Railing off on how the states are puppets of competitors and what the states' remedies will do does nothing to address the issue of the, what, 4, 5, or 6 largest OEM being opposed to this settlement. God, I get criticized for criticizing people but it's the only way you can keep them focused on the issue. Of course, there probably isn't a good argument to rebut this issue so I guess you'll have to keep resorting to Gateway sucks, those that support MS are trying to stay "neutral." |
| #5 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 3/7/2002 6:54:20 PM |
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No, it's an amazing leap of logic for both MS and the DOJ to say, the industry supports this, they want it, it will help competition, and then when asked by the Judge if they can name any companies who do support it, they can't. That's an amazing leap of logic.
Aren't we all aware of about five years when everybody was afraid to mess with MS anyway; do any of you recall HP's and Intel's testimony from the District Court case. They both ultimately had a fair bit of criticism coaxed out of them, but they said that they were concerned about MS's reaction to any criticism so they felt it was better to stay quiet. |
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