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Microsoft Zune Looks Underwhelming: Analyst | |
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| Time: 10:36 EST/15:36 GMT | News Source: Forbes.com | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
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An analyst has said he's "frankly underwhelmed" by Microsoft's highly-hyped Zune media player, and considers the Apple iPod the "de facto standard" in the portable media market. American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu maintained a "buy" rating on shares of Apple Computer which he considers to have the competitive advantage in the media player market. | ||
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| #1 By 3653 (68.52.143.149) at 8/31/2006 2:44:49 PM |
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Lets see what the market says at Christmas.
You know, GeCad (the purchase which led to OneCare) had just a few marketshare points too. But when MSFT added their magic, it became 15% market share. And 15% market share in the mp3 player business is good for second place... ON DAY ONE. I dont know the future, but neither do you... so just enjoy my free analysis. This post was edited by mooresa56 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 at 14:45. |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/31/2006 2:48:18 PM |
| #1: It's been said that a good product marketed poorly will fail, while a crap product marketed well will succeed. Once again, MS is late to the party and just slapped an MS sticker on a boring Toshiba product and - voila! - instant innovation! And the punch line is it will probably be a big seller. I know Parkkker will camp out outside Best Buy so he can be the first on his block to own one. |
| #3 By 7390 (24.188.166.243) at 8/31/2006 2:55:26 PM |
| Thank god that Apple wasn't late to the market when they invented the .mp3 player, isn't that right #2? |
| #4 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 8/31/2006 3:04:09 PM |
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Sandisk is setting the standard for flash based players with the 8GB e280 (I have the 6GB e270).
And Creative is setting the standard for video players with the Zen:W http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/zen-vision-w-in-the-flesh/ Apple is far behind in terms of product .... And now that iTunes DRM is toast, they are in a bit of trouble. http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1553 I do think Microsoft has its work cut out for it. But Apple isn't the company to worry about in terms of product capacity or quality. |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/31/2006 3:51:21 PM |
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#3: I wouldn't know. I don't own an Apple anything. Perhaps you've confused me with someone who gives a damn about Apple.
#4: Hmmm. MS has nothing, so they're even farther behind than Apple, and their DRM was cracked, what, 2 days ago? Sounds like they're in a bit of trouble themselves. |
| #6 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 8/31/2006 3:53:11 PM |
| Microsoft DRM is upgradeable. And it isn't 90% of Microsofts profits ... unlike Apple. |
| #7 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/31/2006 3:57:19 PM |
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#6: It will ALL be cracked eventually, with eventually measured in weeks, not years.
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| #8 By 11888 (64.229.210.61) at 8/31/2006 5:55:35 PM |
| You guys can argue about the stupidest things. |
| #9 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 9/1/2006 10:29:48 AM |
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#4,
I know you usually have your "MS Bad News" filters enabled, so I'll be the one to break it to you. MS's DRM was broken wide open last week. There is a utility even more powerful than the one for iTunes that REMOVES all DRM from protected WMA files. TL |
| #10 By 32132 (142.32.208.233) at 9/1/2006 12:51:33 PM |
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#9 "MS's DRM was broken wide open last week."
Got that. But Microsoft's DRM is upgradeable. And the percentage of their revenues from DRM is small. " There is a utility even more powerful than the one for iTunes that REMOVES all DRM from protected WMA files." QTFairUse6 is able to create DRM-free files from iTunes 6.0.4 and 6.0.5. |
| #11 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 9/1/2006 7:57:52 PM |
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#9, True, but all that does is raise the costs I pay for media and increase the discomfort we endure in order to play by the rules - so who exactly does it help to develop, distribute and or support the means to exploit any method of DRM? All I note is an increased probability that innocent people will be hurt.
DRM, regardless of what form it is in, is a direct result of the massive theft of digital IP. "I mean, does anyone remember when one never had, much less locked their doors, or car? - anyone...?" |
| #12 By 15406 (24.43.125.29) at 9/1/2006 8:34:12 PM |
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#11: I could argue that DRM is a direct result of media companies recognizing that they can exert far greater control of their product in the digital age and squash long-held fair use rights in the process.
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| #13 By 3653 (68.52.143.149) at 9/2/2006 2:17:55 AM |
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reality is that the FairUse programs will have NO effect on either Apple or Microsoft's standing. For a few of us, we'll get some nice high quality music. For the other 99.9%... they'll never even hear (let alone download and use) the FairUse progs.
hey redhook, don't you realize that latch&3sugars isn't an apple fan. therefore you can't hold him to mistakes of logic and reasoning when anywhere near apple markets. |
| #14 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 9/2/2006 2:22:43 PM |
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Latch, one could, but that is one small part of the larger challenge. For example, I have not seen DRM stop my family from using what we buy. I use my Windows Live ID and it works.
Yes, I have had some trouble in the past, but one email fixed that and I was able to use some music I had bought as intended - on any of our systems. That was a good while ago and since, I have had no issues. I think people simply fail to realize that protections like encryption are a direct result of the illegal actions undertaken by millions of people. Kids and yes, adults, either stole content, or facilitated it. All the P2P sites and programs - all the illegal trading - it all drove this - NOT Microsoft, or providers. As I see it DRM is one way in which MS is working to ensure that lawfully acquired content may be fairly used by law abiding citizens. Why else would one work so hard to earn the resources necessary to buy content collections? What's the point otherewise? |
| #15 By 15406 (24.43.125.29) at 9/2/2006 9:25:33 PM |
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#15: Some DRM systems may be less cumbersome or onerous than others, but DRM in general is a flawed solution. I find it amazing that some people are paying to use subscription services that will expire all your purchased content if your subscription lapses. The **AA is working to make sure you can't (or at least not easily) make archival backups of your CDs and DVDs. Instead, if a tiny scratch on their fragile product renders the disc unplayable, the solution is to just go buy another one. Big cable is looking at ways to fiddle with your PVR so that recorded content expires after a short time unless a small payment is made to extend the time before it auto-deletes. Software companies plug their apps with phone-home code that needs to authenticate every time before running, so long as their server is up & responsive and the routes between are clear.
I could go on and on. History shows that big media has, time and again, fought against the advance of technology to the detriment of consumers instead of embracing the opportunity to exploit new markets, or to streamline their business model for the new era. And the end result is always the same. They fail, but not before doing damage to the market in general and the consumer in particular. The market dictates the evolution of the product and the channel, and big media will end up going along a day late and a dollar short while kicking and screaming all the while. Too bad they've managed to buy a bunch of legislative support along the way. DRM does not help the consumer and in fact takes away long-held fair-use rights. Why you seem to accept it is something I don't understand. |
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