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| Time: 15:37 EST/20:37 GMT | News Source: Microsoft | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner | ||
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With the upcoming release of the 2007 Microsoft Office System, much attention has been focused on the new Open XML file formats. But there is also another new file format for Excel spreadsheets that you'll want to take a look at if you're building unusually large or complex spreadsheets: the the new XLSB binary format. Like Open XML, it's a full-fidelity file format that can store anything you can create in Excel, but the XLSB format is optimized for performance in ways that aren't possible with a pure XML format. The Excel team blog has some information about the various formats supported by Excel 2007. The XLSB format (also sometimes referred to as BIFF12, as in "binary file format for Office 12") uses the same Open Packaging Convention used by the Open XML formats and XPS. So it's basically a ZIP container, and you can open it with any ZIP tool to see what's inside. But instead of .XML parts within the package, you'll find .BIN parts as shown to the right. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/22/2006 4:26:55 PM |
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Optimized for MS proprietary format lock-in perhaps.
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| #2 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 8/22/2006 4:35:31 PM |
| Why not? |
| #3 By 2459 (69.22.124.202) at 8/22/2006 5:08:16 PM |
| You can't have lock-in with a documented format. |
| #4 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 8/22/2006 7:53:00 PM |
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Microsoft: Optimized Products for 97% of PC's
OSS: Slow everywhere. |
| #5 By 28801 (68.81.50.122) at 8/22/2006 8:50:12 PM |
| #1 and #3: Nobody's being locked in! Users can still save their files as they would normally. If they want highly optimized files then they can save them in the proprietary XLSB format. I can see instances where I would need performance over an open format and vice versa. You OSS fanatics are always spouting the "More Alternatives" line, yet when MS provides some, you resort to that "evil empire" crap again. |
| #6 By 12071 (203.185.215.144) at 8/23/2006 12:55:04 AM |
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#5 "If they want highly optimized files then they can save them in the proprietary XLSB format"
97% of users click on File -> Save and will use whatever the default save option happens to be and only some of the other 3% know which format is proprietary and which isn't. "You OSS fanatics" Your insight into everyone is amazing, I can't imagine a single person here thinking that n4cer is an OSS fanatic! |
| #7 By 2459 (69.22.124.202) at 8/23/2006 2:15:51 AM |
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#5, actually I was pointing out to Latch that XLSB will be a documented format, thus no lock-in.
But even if it wasn't documented, there's still the default XML formats of course. |
| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/23/2006 9:25:10 AM |
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#3: Why not? Would you not have to license MS' patented format to use it in other software? And if MS refuses to license, are you allowed to reverse engineer the format? Just because something is documented doesn't mean you can do with it as you please.
#5: Once the user has saved their data in a proprietary format that is exclusive to one application, they are essentially locked-in to that software. The more you save in that format, the deeper the lock. Some would say you could always open the files and then re-save them in a different format, but how likely is that to happen? Especially if the amount of data is large. |
| #9 By 12071 (124.168.25.204) at 8/23/2006 10:52:30 AM |
| #8 Learn to read and comprehend Parkkker... my point was fairly straightforward - users don't know/care about the file format, they simply click on File -> Save, which is why it is possible, and in fact quite easy, to lock users into a format of your choice. |
| #10 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 8/23/2006 11:17:47 AM |
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#9 "And if MS refuses to license"
The OpenXML for Office 2003 is an open standard. As will the one for Office 2007. http://www.microsoft.com/office/xml/response.mspx #10 I'm not no_kabuki ... there are lots of people who think you are an idiot. And, why do you always insult users of computers. You OSS fanatics really hate the average user. That explains why Linux is used by about .4% on the desktop. This post was edited by NotParker on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 at 11:18. |
| #11 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/23/2006 11:38:55 AM |
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#11: Are you saying that MS' Open(haha)XML license applies to XLSB?
btw, I didn't see a comment from you about the story where good ol' Bill G uses his (haha) charity to help his buddies buy media companies? You also didn't say much about the DoD issuing a report where they urge the use of open technology. Nope, not much from Parkkker other than his usual pro-MS lies. This post was edited by Latch on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 at 11:41. |
| #12 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 8/23/2006 12:50:00 PM |
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#12 coffee girl, the XLSB format will be open. More open than PDF. And as open as ODF.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms406049.aspx "You also didn't say much about the DoD issuing a report where they urge the use of open technology." Cool. Since OpenXML is more open than PDF, that will end Adobe's reign of terror. Excellent! |
| #13 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/23/2006 3:17:00 PM |
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#13: "reign of terror"?? Did you go off your meds again? I don't know anyone else terrified of a file format.
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| #14 By 17996 (131.107.0.82) at 8/23/2006 4:40:35 PM |
| #14 - people may not be "terrified" of PDF... but everytime I click a link that ends up leading to a PDF (and that Adobe splashscreen comes up), I do get a sinking feeling. Plus, why does AcroRd32.exe linger around, taking up 20+MB of memory, days after you closed the PDF? |
| #15 By 28801 (68.81.50.122) at 8/23/2006 6:37:01 PM |
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Hey guys, MS is a corporation that is trying to make "MONEY". One way to make money is to keep people using your products. SQL Server is a good example of this. Products like Sharepoint will only work with SQL Server. And Sharepoint is tightly coupled with Office. I don't have a problem with this because MS products decrease development time and are relatively cheap.
BTW, No one has ever asked me for a Document or Spreadsheet in a format other than MS Office, and I don't think Latch, Kubuki, or n4cer have ever had to provide one either. I'll worry about that when I have to. |
| #16 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 8/23/2006 7:02:37 PM |
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Acrobat Reader is scumware these days, what with startup crap, and the common situation that Patriot mentions, plus the Toolbar and Photoshop download and the perpetual update cycle.
No thanks. I've deleted if from my system. |
| #17 By 2459 (69.22.124.202) at 8/24/2006 1:23:38 AM |
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Foxit is a nice alternative to Adobe Reader for most uses.
http://foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php |
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