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Maybe Firefox doesn't have a security edge after all | |
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| Time: 19:46 EST/00:46 GMT | News Source: *Linked Within Post* | Posted By: Michael Dragone | ||
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Kvetching about Microsoft security flaws is so 2002.
That thought came to mind today when I read a misleading and disingenuous post by Firefox evangelist Asa Dotzler. Now, Asa just got back from a trip halfway around the world. So I’m going to assume that it was jet lag that caused him to write and publish a post entitled microsoft security manager calls users stupid, which contained these fightin’ words: | ||
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| #1 By 28801 (68.45.209.133) at 6/28/2006 7:56:52 PM |
| OK, where are Latch and Parker? |
| #2 By 12071 (203.185.215.144) at 6/28/2006 9:41:28 PM |
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Love the MS apologists/hypocrites...
"I guess Firefox hasn’t gotten around to recognizing that phishing is a problem. Oh, wait, they have. But it's only available in alpha code right now, not in a stable beta or a released version" 1) "Stable beta"? Is that like "Microsoft Works"? Give me a break - Vista isn't allowed to be criticised because it's in beta but we're going to treat the beta of IE7 differently. Just because a beta of IE 7 happens to have a feature that's also part of the next version of Firefox does not make it a "stable beta". It's unreleased and hence IE currently does not have ANY form of phising protection! 2) If the author bother to click on the link that he so generously provided he would have seen the test link to the following site which provides a download link for the SafeBrowsing extension: http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/safebrowsing/index.html . That's right, Firefox users can install phishing protection right now without having to resort to using alpha or beta software! |
| #3 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 6/28/2006 11:14:54 PM |
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#2 The key points being made in the article are:
1) Asa Dotlzer was criminally misrepresenting what was said by a Microsoft employee. 2) IE7 is a damn good browser with lots of really great security features. 3) IE7 is stable and more useful than Firefox without having to download a lot of extensions that will break pretty soon because Firefox will be patching another dozen holes any day now. 4) Microsoft takes security seriously, unlike Firefox and Apple who just think it is a marketing point to be made by Microsoft haters like Kris Kabuki. |
| #4 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 6/29/2006 8:17:19 AM |
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#3: Point 1 - Quoting someone out of context is not a criminal action. That would fall under civil law, at best. You can sue someone if the misrepresentation caused harm.
Also, for anyone to compare IE 7 and Firefox 1.x is meaningless. IE 6 is what is the currently released version of IE, and Firefox 1.5 is the current release of Firefox. Now, if one wants to compare IE 7 to Firefox 2, go for it. Point 3 - I have not had any extensions break for a long time. Certainly not with the last several updates to the Firefox browser. Since extensions are third party add-ons, you cannot blame Mozilla for any problems with them, any more than you can blame Microsoft for problems with a Quicktime plug-in, or a Flash plug-in. Point 4 - Yes, Microsoft has been taking security seriously in recent years. So has Mozilla and Apple. However, IE 6 was built upon a shaky foundation, when security was not a priority for MS. Netscape Navigator had a similar problem. Microsoft needs to do what Mozilla did, and start a new browser from scratch. I have no information about whether or not they did this with IE 7, but I suspect they didn't. Yes, the new code will also have security issues, too, but the new code will hopefully be architected in such a way as to make finding and fixing such problems easier. This is what I see with Firefox. It has some issues, as all software does, but the new code is miles ahead of the old Netscape Navigator code base, so the problems are easier and quicker to fix. I have personally used almost every major browser available for the PC at one time or another. I used to be a Navigator fan, but IE 4 won me over as being a better browser than Navigator. I never went back to Netscape. I tried Opera, Navigator, Firefox, IE, and several browsers based on IE. Firefox fit my personal requirements better then the rest of the pack. I fully understand that IE may be a better browser, functionally, for some people. However, IE 6 is horrible from a security point of view. I plan to carefully look at IE 7 when it is officially released. Firefox has some quirks (as does IE), especially with the large mix of add-ons I currently have installed (35 currently), but I still prefer it over IE any day. I even have a plug-in that allows me to run IE inside Firefox, for those sites (like Windows Update) that absolutely MUST have IE to operate. For everything else, there's Firefox. |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/29/2006 8:34:03 AM |
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#3: The article didn't say ANY of those things. You said those things. Stop confusing reality with the voices in your head.
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| #6 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 6/29/2006 12:31:35 PM |
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#4 I would argue that with the memory leaks and security holes and the endless updates and breaking of extension, Firefox 1.5.x is really beta software.
IE7 beta 3 is out today. |
| #7 By 3 (62.253.128.15) at 6/29/2006 12:43:24 PM |
| #6 as could have been said about any IE release since IE was released, but hey, we'll just blank out those memories. |
| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/29/2006 2:10:54 PM |
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#7: Parkkker has achieved 'clear' in the Church of Microsoft.
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| #9 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/29/2006 2:48:50 PM |
| #2--I like Firefox and use it daily, but you've got a little hypocrisy of your own going on there. You state that IE "does not have ANY form of phising protection!" and then go on to say that Firefox does "right now" by installing an add-on. Phishing protection has been available for IE for quite awhile now as an add-on as well. |
| #10 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/29/2006 3:26:56 PM |
| #9: How is that hypocritical again? Ignorant, maybe. I was also unaware that there was a plugin for IE to combat phishing, but then I haven't used IE for a lonnnnng time now and don't pay attention to it. |
| #11 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/29/2006 4:21:55 PM |
| #10--if you can browse to Google's site, it takes all of two seconds to find out that IE also has anti-phishing add-ons. |
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